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    December 16

    Christmas again

    A few truths on Christmas:

    1. Winter festivals have always been apart of the cultures of humanity, and the Christian Christmas is no different; Well, it is different since the Christians wiped out the older holidays that made up their winter festivals and replaced it with Christmas in hope of converting pagans to Christianity. Very under-handed indeed.

    2. The deities Ishtar, Sol Invictus and Mithras all shared their “birthdays” on December 25th and they all had various celebration due to this fact.

    3. Saturnalia, a celebration to the Roman deity Saturn, was a feast that was held around the 17th of December and lasted until the 23rd or beyond.

    4. The celebration of “The birthday of the unconquered sun god”, Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, was held on December 25th   and celebrated the sun deities of different cultures. This was primarily celebrated in Rome.   

    5. The winter Solstice was called Bruma, and was celebrated as the day that the “Sun god proved to be unconquered”, despite the shortening o the daylight hours.

    6. Yule is the celebration where Yule logs were lit in honor of Thor, a Norse deity of thunder, with the belief that each spark from the fire would represent new born cattle for the following spring.

    7. The Christmas tree:

    The Christmas tree is often explained as a Christianization of the ancient pagan idea that the evergreen tree represents a celebration of the renewal of life. In Roman mosaics from what is today Tunisia, showing the mythic triumphant return from India of the Greek god of wine and male fertility, Dionysus (dubbed by some modern scholars as a life-death-rebirth deity), the god carries a tapering coniferous tree. Medieval legends, nevertheless, tended to concentrate more on the miraculous "flowering" of trees at Christmastime. A branch of flowering Glastonbury thorn is still sent annually for the Queen's Christmas table in the United Kingdom. Among early Germanic tribes the Yule tradition was celebrated by sacrificing male animals, and slaves, by suspending them on the branches of trees. According to Adam of Bremen, in Scandinavia the pagan kings sacrificed nine males of each species at the sacred groves every ninth year. According to one legend, Saint Boniface attempted to introduce the idea of trinity to the pagan tribes using the cone-shaped evergreen trees because of their triangular appearance.

    The modern customs can trace its origins to 16th century Germany: Ingeborg Weber-Keller (Marburg professor of European ethnology) identified as the earliest reference a Bremen guild chronicle of 1570 which reports how a small fir was decorated with apples, nuts, dates, pretzels and paper flowers, and erected in the guild-house, for the benefit of the guild members' children, who collected the dainties on Christmas day. Another early reference is from Basel, where the Taylor apprentices carried around town a tree decorated with apples and cheese in 1597. During the 17th century, the custom entered family homes. One Strasbourg priest, Johann Konrad Dannerhauer, complains about the custom as distracting from the word of God. By the early 18th century, the custom had become common in towns of the upper Rhineland, but it had not yet spread to rural areas. Wax candles are attested from the late 18th century. The Christmas tree remained confined to the upper Rhineland for a relatively long time. It was regarded as a Protestant custom by the Catholic majority along the lower Rhine, and was spread there only by Prussian officials who were moved there in the wake of the Congress of Vienna in 1815. In the early 19th century, the custom became popular among the nobility and spread to royal courts as far as Russia. Princess Henrietta von Nassau-Weilburg introduced the Christmas tree to Vienna in 1816, and the custom spread across Austria in the following years. In France, the first Christmas tree was introduced in 1840 by the duchess of Orleans.

    In Britain, the Christmas tree was introduced by King George III's German Queen Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, but did not spread much beyond the royal family until the royal family Christmas centered round Prince Albert at Osborne House was illustrated in English magazines, and copied in the United States at Christmas 1850 (illustration, left). Such patriotic prints of the British royal family at Christmas celebrations helped popularize the Christmas tree in Britain and among the anglophile American upper class.

     8. The Christmas Ham:

    The Christmas Ham is an ancient traditional ingredient in the Scandinavian Christmas celebration (Yule) and remains as important as the Christmas tree.

    Before the arrival of Christianity, a pig was sacrificed to the god Freyr at the Yule celebrations and eaten (look up Elven Blót). This tradition of butchering a pig at Christmas continued after the Christianization and survives as several dishes (sausages and bread dipped in pork fat) of which the Christmas ham is the most central.

    Among commoners, the Christmas ham was usually saved for the summer, whereas more wealthy people ate it at Christmas.

    Actually I don't believe I need to go on, you should get the picture.

    So to everyone out there who is not Christian, celebrate your holidays and reclaim them! To those who are Christian, think what this holiday truly means and were it truly comes from. It did not originate with your religion nor does it have anything to do with your myth deity-man Jesus.

    Christmas is the product of forced conversion, theft, and lies; perfect for any family!

    Happy holidays.

    December 09

    Historical problems with the Census of Quirnius in Luke

    The Census of Quirinius has always been my favorite argument against the historical accuracy of the Christian bible.
    In the book of Luke (2: 1-7) it is described that around the birth of myth deity-man Jesus, Caesar Augustus decreed that the whole world would be registered (meaning his Roman Empire, of course). It is said that the first registration was taken while Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was governor of Syria. It then tells us that all went to their own towns, this could mean home towns or birth towns or ancestors towns (it is still debated on over the meaning).
    So Joseph, being a descendant of David (we are told this, at least), went from Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to a city called Bethlehem.
    The problem of the town lies in the author telling us Josephs ancestry and because of his ancestry he had to leave his home town and travel to Bethlehem in Judea.
    The above tells us, and rather plainly, that this tax involved the individuals ancestry and where they were registered.
    Moving on.
    You will notice that I underlined the word "first" when saying this was the first registration and that it was taken by Quirinius. I did this because there are records of 3 major census' being taken during the reign of Augustus, 28 B.C.E, 8 B.C.E, and C.E. 14. So, the very first census would have to be in 28 B.C.E or earlier.The earliest such provincial census was taken in Gaul in 27 B.C.E, the imposition of the census provoked disturbances and resistance. Keep that in mind.
    Josephus records that a census was taken at that time, in Syria, around 6 or 7 C.E. after the exile of Herod the Greats successor Herod Archelaus. From this we can safely place the birth of the myth deity-man Jesus at around 6 or 7 C.E. (for those who do not know the Before Common Era and Common Era acronyms, that would be 6 or 7 A.D). I will let that sink in.
    Now if Luke is true, then this places the book of Matthew in a difficult spot for it places the birth of the myth deity-man Jesus at the time of Herod the Great (2: 16-18), who died in 4 B.C.E, ten years earlier. The verses in Matthew tell of Herod the Great issuing a massacre of the innocents, a rather famous event that most likely did not happen. I will get into that n another post.
    Back the the census.
    In addition to all this, no other sources mention a Roman-wide census of this type (to include all peoples); the censuses carried out by Augustus were of Roman citizens only, not every person living in the region.
    Most modern scholars agree that this is an error on the part of the author of the Luke, concluding that he created a literary fiction in order to place the birth of the myth deity-man Jesus in Bethlehem, unaware or indifferent to the chronological difficulty it presents.
    The excuses given by those who will always give them are as follows:
    1. An earlier census was carried out, or begun, during the reign of King Herod the Great.
    The above could have happened but it still does not answer the problems of Quirinius, who is mentioned by name, being governor of Syria and carrying out the census. Quirinius was not governor of Syria until after the banishment of Herod Archelaus in 6 C.E. The two were never in power at the same time (Quirinius was governor of other ares, such as Crete and Cyrene in 14 B.C.E. In 12 B.C.E he was named consul of Rome and in 6 B.C.E. h was sent to govern Pamphylia-Galatia. After Pamphylia-Galatia he served as a chief adviser to Augustus' grandson Gaius Caesar, until he died from wounds suffered on a campaign.
    2. That Josephus must be mistaken.
    I find this ridiculous!  If he is mistaken on a simple matter of governorship  then all his works would be thrown into question. This would also create more problems for Christians for they use Josephus as the main source to the historicity of the myth deity-man Jesus.
    3. The texts were mistranslated.
    If this is true then how can you be certain that the rest of the Christian bible is true and correctly translated?
    4. There is a ten year gap between Herod the Great and Quirinius in Luke.
    This would help the Christians but it would throw the book of Luke off. The author is very specific.
    Here are some of my main points again:
    1. Nothing is known in history of a general census by Augustus;
    2. I n a Roman census Joseph would not have had to travel to Bethlehem, and Mary would not have to travel at all;
    3. No Roman census would have been made in Judea during the reign of Herod;
    4. Josephus records no such census, and it would have been a notable innovation;
    5. Quirinius was not governor of Syria until long after the reign of Herod.

    You be the judge.
    November 19

    The party at home

    I can't believe I forgot all about this! Here is a story of when I first arrived back in my hometown.
    My parents threw a "Welcome back" party and invited many people I knew and a few that I did not.
    As the night drew on most were outside by the fire pit, just talking, while three women and myself sat around the dinner table debating illegal immigration and such.
    I do not remember the exact conversation but something sparked my mother to say something about the god-man myth Jesus. She immediately looked at me and said "And I don't want to hear anything out of you on Jesus!"
    I honestly had no intention of bringing anyone into a debate about religion but it would seem my mother did. Well, all the women turned and looked at me while one asked "What does that mean?" My mother tried to explain to them that I was some sort of Agnostic, which I quickly corrected her and announced that I was an Atheist and I explained what an Atheist was.
    One woman was in complete denial. "But you believe in something." She would state, to which I would reply "When it comes to deities and the supernatural, no." Like most closed minded beings she could not understand my position nor could she accept it. She would continuously say I did believe in something but I would always give her the same reply.
    The other woman asked me "So how do you think we all got here?" Challenging me and looking at me as if she could thwart any attempt I made at explaining my position. I told her that I had no idea how everything started and gave her the few theories that I did know of and my own problems with them. I then told her that if her question was how we, as human beings, reached this state that the theory of Evolution was sufficient explanation.
    Here is where the story gets quite comical. She grabbed my arm and looked me straight in the eye, she was very serious, and said "You know that Evolution has been disproved, right?"
    I was astounded! I asked who told her this and of course her answer was her preacher. I asked what her preacher’s background was in biology and science and she said there was none that she knew of.
    How ridiculous can you get! For one of the first times in my life I was truly at a loss for words. This was the prime example of how people will believe anything and how dangerous the religious could be.
    Well I corrected her in her ignorance and informed her of the current debates and the transition species that have been found that fully support the theory of Evolution. Of course, she would not listen.
    After that bit of comedy they moved on to the Christian bible. They were a bit taken aback to learn that I cold recite whole passages from memory (probably better than their loony preachers) and that I could say what would have been happening historically in that time. They also seemed taken aback at my knowledge of all the different sects of Christianity as well as other religions and their "holy" books.
    One woman commented "How can you disbelieve if you know so much." I smiled and shook my head, replying "It is because of all that I have learned that I lack a belief in deities."
    They then wanted to know of my wife and the beliefs in Japan. They wanted to know how I would coup with a Buddhist. I assured them that Lisa was no Buddhist, but an Agnostic Traditionalist. I then told them how most Japanese are Agnostic Traditionalists, so we never “butt heads" on this issue.
    Of course they wanted to know why the Japanese place offering in front of their stone images and why they worshiped idols. This issue right here usually angers me for it show the willful ignorance of most religious people when it comes to other religions.
    After explaining that falsehood and shutting down the conversation when pointing out they all have "idols" they worship we moved on to the stereotypes of religions.
    One woman actually made the comment "Christianity is better then Islam because no one kills in the name of Jesus like they kill in the name of Allah." Yes, this is what she said!! I am sure you can guess what I brought up in light of this and how it shut the conversation down once again.
    This little conversation lasted for about two hours before everyone left.
    I am sorry that they did not learn much other than not to debate me on matters of history or religion, but some people are so closed off to the fact that they could be wrong that it is a wonder that they learned anything at all.

    September 12

    Einstein: Christian or not?

    Greeting readers! I am not sure how many of you have survived the onslaught of my seven month hiatus but I am sure there are some out there who still frequent these pages of mine for knowledge and truth (It sure seems that way with all the “hate” mail, though I did get an interesting message that I am not sure where to place).

    This day I would like to talk about Albert Einstein.

    Many Christians today like to claim him as their own as do many Atheists, but let us examine his own words here.

    Now we all know that Albert Einstein claimed to believe in Spinoza’s deity (Spinoza argued that deity and Nature were two names for the same reality, namely the single substance that underlies the universe and of which all lesser "entities" are actually modes or modifications, that all things are determined by Nature to exist and cause effects, and that the complex chain of cause and effect are only understood in part) but did he ever believe in the Christian or Jewish deities?

    Well Albert Einstein, although Jewish, went through a brief childhood phase of devout Christianity.

    In an autobiographical sketch written at age 67, he described his short-lived faith, planted in him by daily indoctrination at a Catholic school to which his parents had sent him:

    "Thus I came -- despite the fact that I was the son of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents -- to a deep religiosity, which, however, found an abrupt ending at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books, I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true.”

    He continues to destroy the hopes of Christians everywhere by saying: “The consequence was a positively fanatic freethinking, coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies. It was a crushing impression.”

    It seems he saw through many of the venomous parroting that the clergy did back in that day (many still do this today, unfortunately).

    "Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions which were alive in any specific social environment -- an attitude which has never left me, even though later on, because of a better insight into the causal connections, it lost some of its original poignancy.”

    One of the greatest thinkers of our time was not only put off after discovering what religion truly was but it left a rip in his being. A rip that many of our young today feel when they discover that the “truths” they are brought up to believe are nothing more than brightly painted myths.

    "It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence which is dominated by wishes, hopes and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned like liberation....The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise, but it has proved itself as trustworthy, and I have never regretted having chosen it."

    Commenting on Einstein's reminiscence, physicist Heinz Pagels wrote:

    "What this passage reveals is a conversion from personal religion to the 'cosmic religion' of science, an experience which changed him for the rest of his life. Einstein saw that the universe is governed by laws that can be known by us but that are independent of our thoughts and feelings.

    The existence of this cosmic code -- the laws of material reality as confirmed by experience -- is the bedrock faith that moves the natural scientist. The scientist sees in that code the eternal structure of reality, not as imposed by man or tradition but as written into the very substance of the universe. This recognition of the nature of the universe can come as a profound and moving experience to the young mind."

    I agree with Pagels (though I would not call science a “religion”).

    This also shows the dangers that are presented with the currently religious youth of today. What will happen once they discover that what they have been taught as “truth” is truly nothing more than brightly colored paper flapping in the wind, as a mere (and hopefully brief) distraction to finding real answers to the questions that plague those of us brave enough to think on them?

    Will they lash out at the “religious right” for filling their heads with “sugar plum fairies” for so many years of their life?

    Will they lash out at their parents for indoctrinating them or not talking to them seriously about these radical beliefs?

    Or will they simply give up trusting completely, going through life bitter and angry?

    I would hope that the youth turn to those who have either experienced these feelings of betrayal or (as in my case) freedom of their masks, for guidance.

    Remember to never be afraid to ask questions. If one cannot answer your questions find someone who can. If you cannot find someone then seek the answers else where, but never stop questioning. Never stop searching.

    For those who could not arrive to the conclusion themselves, no Einstein was not a Christian. He might have been a convert at a young age, but who is to know how serious it truely was? Einstein was also not an Atheist. He beleived in Spinoza's deity, which is not a deity in and of itself but more of like a force.

      

    February 19

    Noah and other Myths

    There are many absurdities in the story of Noah's ark and once we've proven that this, and other Christian mythologies, we will know that Jesus is imaginary, prayer is imaginary, Genesis and Revelation are imaginary, and, thus, their god is imaginary.

    But there is one absurdity in the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special recognition, because it proves that thier god, in addition to being imaginary, is insane. That special absurdity is this:

    The Christian god senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in the flood.

    How do we know it was senseless? Because in Christian mythology, "god" is supposed to be "all-knowing." If thie god were to exist, this god would know what was coming when he created Adam and Eve. Therefore, god knew he would be murdering millions of people. Why didn't god simply speed up Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why didn't god program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely circumvent the need for such a horrendous atrocity?

    The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murdering lunatic as their object of worship shows just how deep religious delusion runs. By murdering nearly every human on the planet, this imaginary god is far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect" being can also be a mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet Christians willfully worship him. There is no better indicator that religion is delusion and that God is imaginary.

    Noah's flood is not the only place where their god displays these ridiculous tendencies to mindlessly slaughter. Here are several other examples.

    In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, thier god writes about one of his early massacres:

    So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.

    Here the death of the children is accomplished by the hand of the Christian god.

    In Isaiah chapter 13, god paints this word picture:

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

    What a lovely image.

    In Jeremiah chapter 49, verse 20, god paints a similar picture:

    Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the purposes which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.

    In Hosea chapter 13, god paints a similar picture:

    Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

    In Numbers chapter 31, god paints a similar picture:

    Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these caused the people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

    Here Moses, acting as an agent of god, specifies that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known man by lying with him." This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands men, women and children were massacred.

    In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find this:

    Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king of Bashan with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children. But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.

    They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at their god's request.

    Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies:

    And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

    Think about the thousands of families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one morning and slaughtered your children.

    Why would an all-loving god do this? The truth is thier god is imaginary, all of these stories are myths, and the people who believe and revel in these myths are... what? "Insane" is one word that comes to mind. Why would any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "worship" such a heinous, demented and despicable "god" as this? Insanity in the form of deep, deep delusion is the only possible explanation.

    It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous, demented and despicable. This impossibility tells us that the Christian god is imaginary as well as immoral.

     

    February 18

    Easter, another butchered holiday.

    As I have said numerous times, I have found that the Christians have stolen almost all of their holidays.  The ones they couldn't steal, they contaminated with lies to turn people away from those “evil pagan ways”.  This stealing of holidays by Christians is seen in a number of pagan or “heathen” festivals. In line with the mother goddess and heavenly virgin theology, the Festival of Diana was ousted by the Festival of the Assumption of the Virgin in August. Like changes were the pagan Parilia in April which was replaced by the feast of St. George. The midsummer water festival in June was replaced by the festival of St. John the Baptist. Each of these replacements has similar themes to the pagan holiday they replace. The Feast of All Souls in November is the ancient heathen Feast of the Dead. The Nativity of Christ replaced that of the Sun, and the Festival of Easter is simply the feast of the Phrygian god Attis at the vernal equinox or the celebration of the Fertility Goddess Ostara.
    First off, the word ‘Easter’ itself is of Pagan origin.  There are actually a couple accepted origins of the name.  The most common of these being ‘Eostre’ or ‘Ostara’. She is the great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people of Northern Europe.  Her name was derived from an ancient word for spring. She is the Goddess of Spring and dawn.  The lesser known accepted origin of Easter is the worship of Attis in Rome.  This celebration of the death and resurrection of the God Attis was held on the 24th and 25th of March.  Many religious historians believe that the death and resurrection legends were first associated with Attis, many centuries before the birth of Jesus. They were simply grafted onto stories of Jesus' life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans. 
    Easter was actually celebrated for hundreds of years before the birth of Christ.  It wasn't until at least 300 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the establishment of his church that the celebration of his resurrection began to be intermingled with the pagan practices of Easter.
    As Christianity grew and spread throughout the world, it was common practice
    to adopt, modify, convert or take over existing non-Christian festivals, sacred locations and even names, and assimilate them into the Christian theology.  Because Eostre was the
    Goddess of Spring and her symbolism dealt with renewal and rebirth, the Christian belief of the resurrection fit nicely into this theme.  
    And what of the date of Christ’s supposed resurrection?  Didn’t you ever wonder why
    Good Friday is recognized as the day Jesus died and Sunday as the day he arose but yet had trouble explaining how he could thus be buried for three days and three nights? According to an ancient and widespread tradition, 25 March was celebrated as the death of Christ without regard to the state of the Moon. This is the same time that the resurrection of Attis was celebrated.  Easter was confined to a Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection in direct contradiction of Scripture. Originally, it was on fixed dates in the cult of Attis.  The answer is simple: He didn't actually die on "Good Friday." When the established church wanted to appease the paganistic people in order to "convert" them to Christianity, they moved the dates accordingly. Jesus actually died on the day of Preparation of Passover Week, which that year occurred on Wednesday (John 19:14, 31-42). Thursday was the Sabbath of the Passover. Friday, Christ was still in the tomb. Saturday was the "regular" Sabbath. Jesus arose after the Saturday Sabbath was concluded, which was the first day of the week, the day we know as Sunday.  The word Easter was even inserted in the English KJV translation of the Bible to replace the word for Passover to further disguise the issue.  Most Christians interpret the four Gospels of the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) as implying that Jesus Christ was executed and buried just before the beginning of Passover on Friday evening. A minority believe that the execution occurred on a Wednesday or Thursday.  
    But, what about the bunny and eggs and all that Hot Cross bun stuff?  Well, I hate to let you Christians in on a little secret, but is all pagan!  That’s right. Let’s start with Hot Cross Buns.  At the feast of Eostre, an ox was sacrificed. The ox's horns became a symbol for the feast. They were carved into the ritual bread. Thus originated the "hot cross buns". The word "buns" is derived from the Saxon word "boun" which means "sacred ox." Later, the symbol of a symmetrical cross was used to decorate the buns; the cross represented the moon, the heavenly body associated with the Goddess, and its four
    quarters.  Easter Bunny and Eggs?  The symbols of the Norse Goddess Ostara were the hare and the egg. Both represented fertility. From these, we have inherited the customs and symbols of the Easter egg and Easter rabbit. Dyed eggs also formed part of the rituals of the Babylonian mystery religions.
    Eggs were sacred to many ancient civilizations and formed an integral part of
    religious ceremonies in Egypt and the Orient. Dyed eggs were hung in Egyptian
    temples, and the egg was regarded as the emblem of regenerative life proceeding from the mouth of the great Egyptian god.  According to Teutonic myth, the hare was once a bird that Eostre changed into a four-footed creature. Thus, it can also lay eggs. The hare is also the sacred companion and sacrificial victim of Eostre. The so-called 'Easter lily' has long been revered by pagans of various lands as a holy symbol associated with the reproductive organs. It was considered a phallic symbol!  The custom of the
    Easter Sunrise Service can be traced back to the ancient Pagan custom of welcoming the sun God at the vernal equinox - when daytime is about to exceed the length of the nighttime. It was a time to celebrate the return of life and reproduction to animal and plant life as well.  
    Pagans all over the world have long celebrated the coming of spring and the rebirth of the earth.  The Christians, in their attempt to lure people from the old religion, corrupted the old customs with their new ideas and in the process stole most of the old traditions which most people now think really are of Christian origin.  Anyone can tell you, that the majority of Christian tradition is pagan.  Now if you are one of the Christian types that
    believe that Paganism is akin to Satanism, I think its time to throw out all those Easter decorations, don’t give your kids Easter baskets with candy and send them on egg hunts.  All these things are evil.

    February 14

    Kansas Repeals Anti-Evolution Guidelines!!

    Kansas Repeals Anti-Evolution Guidelines
    TOPEKA, Kan. (Feb. 13) - The Kansas state Board of Education on Tuesday repealed science guidelines questioning evolution that had made the state an object of ridicule.

    The new guidelines reflect mainstream scientific views of evolution and represent a political defeat for advocates of "intelligent design," who had helped write the standards that are being jettisoned.

    The intelligent design concept holds that life is so complex that it must have been created by a higher authority.

    The state has had five sets of standards in eight years, with anti- and pro-evolution versions, each doomed by the seesawing fortunes of socially conservative Republicans and a coalition of Democrats and moderate Republicans.

    The board on Tuesday removed language suggesting that key evolutionary concepts - such as a common origin for all life on Earth and change in species creating new ones - were controversial and being challenged by new research. Also approved was a new definition of science, specifically limiting it to the search for natural explanations of what is observed in the universe.

    "Those standards represent mainstream scientific consensus about both what science is and what evolution is," said Jack Krebs, a math and technology teacher who helped write the new guidelines. He is also president of Kansas Citizens for Science.

    The state uses its standards to develop tests that measure how well students are learning science. Although decisions about what is taught in classrooms remain with 296 local school boards, both sides in the evolution dispute say the standards will influence teachers as they try to ensure that their students test well.

    John Calvert, a retired attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said under the new standards, "students will be fed an answer which may be right or wrong" about questions like the origin of life.

    "Who does that model put first?" he said. "The student, or those supplying the preordained 'natural explanation'?"

    There have been debates or legal battles in several other states over evolution and the intelligent design argument, but none has inspired comedians' jokes or parodies like Kansas' ongoing battle has.
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    It is about time Kansas dropped it's stupidity and took science back from the religious loonies. The U.S's education system is enough of a joke already, so we really don't need to be handing the keys to our children's brains to the religious fools, who will do nothing but poison our kids' minds with their foolish "invisible man in the sky" myths.
    Congratulations Kansas, you have left the Dark Ages and joined us here in the 21st century.
    February 10

    Jesus debunked

    Christians have always argued for Jesus' virgin birth, but also argue he was descended from David. This overlooks the fact that if virgin born, Jesus' 'father' Joseph, albeit descended from David, would have had no connection with his conception, and his only human connection would have been through/by/with Mary; however she was of the Aaronic line (i.e. she was related to Elizabeth who was of Aaronic descent - Luke l:6, l:36). As Aaron was of the tribe of Levi, but David was of Judah, then Jesus, if virgin born, could therefore not be of Davidic descent and could not therefore be the messiah which demanded Davidic descent. Furthermore, this would contradict all the New Testament statements that Jesus was a descendent of David - Matthew 1:1, 12:23, 15:22, Mark l0:47, Romans l:3, Revelation 5:5.

    It has been argued that Jesus could still be of the line of David and was born a virgin for Joseph was Jesus’ adoptive father. But Jesus didn't take on 'David's line' through Joseph being his 'adoptive father' as Rom l: 3 makes quite clear: "descended from David according to the flesh".

    So here is the problem; Jesus was either of David's line - but that means he wasn't virgin born (i.e. Joseph having to have been responsible for his conception), or he was virgin born, but that precludes him being of the Davidic line (because only Mary was involved in his humanity and she was not of the Davidic line) - so he couldn't have been the Messiah/Christ as the New Testament teaches.  There is a lie here somewhere for you can’t have it both ways.

    The virgin-birth story is only found in two of the twenty-seven New Testament writings, and in Luke, the style of writing indicates the part that relates the story, was written after the following 22 chapters by a different author, and added on to the beginning of Luke afterwards. Furthermore the Catholic Jerusalem Bible admits that Matthew most likely had its virgin birth story added to it also. In fact Luke conflicts sharply with Matthew, e.g. Luke has the birth in the time of the governor Quirinius (Luke 2:2, 3-7), whilst Matthew has it in the time of Herod, but the rule of these two never coincided or overlapped. The Christian "explanation" for this involving the Ramsay inscription regarding Quirinius as dummvir, is futile.

    Both Luke and Matthew have other major differences, e.g. Matthew says the family fled from Judea immediately to Egypt after the birth (2:4-l4) to avoid Herod and stayed there until he was dead and even on returning, they avoided Judea in the south. However according to Luke, after the birth, the family calmly went to Jerusalem in Judea and then up to Galilee (2:21-22, 39). It is worthwhile noting that the only census known about (Luke has the journey to Bethlehem because of this) as one in 6 CE. Long after Herod died, and indeed long after Christians claim Jesus lived.

    The only reason that Matthew's author seems to have the virgin-birth story is because he misunderstood an O.T statement (Isaiah 7:l4) that he read as messianic (which it isn't) and referring to a virgin birth (which it doesn't). With regard to Isa 7:l4, it is simply the story of Isaiah saying to king Ahaz of Judah that by the time that a young girl had conceived and her baby was born, the present threat from Syria would be over - 7:l4-17. There is NOTHING messianic about it at all.

    As, in this, the child was to be called Emmanuel which means 'God with us', but the name 'Jesus' (actually, this is Greek for the Hebrew Jehoshua) means 'Yahweh is salvation', Jesus was therefore not called by the name Emmanuel and did not fulfill this 'prophesy'; however Matthew's author misunderstood this. As Isaiah 8:3-4 says how Isaiah went immediately and impregnated his wife, and the prophesy is again made saying that before the child could even talk, Syria would by smashed by Assyria, it appears the Isaiah 7:l4 prophesy relates to Isaiah's own wife/child and does not have any messianic connotations.

    In reality there is nothing miraculous in Isaiah's saying; he is only saying a woman (or in the Greek - a virgin) would conceive. It doesn't take too much to realize what has to happen for a virgin to conceive a child. He doesn't say that a girl who would give birth to the child would still be a virgin after conception. The author of Matthew was using the Septuagint 'LXX' - the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible compiled in the second century BC for the Greek-speaking Jews of the Diaspora – i.e. living outside Palestine. It is generally accepted that some parts are very good, but in others it is faulty, e.g. Daniel is such a poor translation in the LXX, the Jews wouldn't even use it.

    The Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:l4 for the woman/'virgin' is "almah" and does NOT mean a virgin, but a young woman; it is in the LXX that it is rendered 'virgin' and there is the additional fact that in the Greek the root doesn't even necessarily mean a girl who has not had sex, but 'denotes fullness or the like - fully developed". The word actually used here has nothing to do with the virgin state.

    As the Gospel writers used the LXX, they could not have been Palestinian Jews (i.e. the apostles as stated in the Gospels) or they would have obviously used the Hebrew text and not made such errors.

    Matthew's author couldn't have been the apostle of that name as he wasn't a Palestinian Jew (nor either an eyewitness as he had to use Mark as a source to write his Gospel). He also makes other errors, e.g. in 27: 9-l0 he says he is quoting Jeremiah but in fact he's quoting Zechariah ll: l2-l3. It is very apparent that the Gospel writers were NOT Palestinian Jews, but either Jewish Christians of the Diaspora or Gentile-Christians. In the case of Mark's author there has to be doubt whether he had even set foot in Palestine in view of the historical, chronological, geographical and theological errors he makes about first century Palestine.

    But this is where it continues to be manifestly absurd. Jesus was supposedly a true Jew - a direct descendent of Abraham through David (Matthew 1), the Jewish Messiah, the Son of David (Matthew 21:9), the 'lion of the tribe of Judah' (Rev 5:5) and yet whenever he quoted the Old Testament, according to the Gospels that is, he quoted the GREEK LXX version! Furthermore, in some cases the Hebrew original of the LXX text he is quoting would not support the argument he is making, i.e. because of the LXX's inaccuracies. In Mark 7: l-23 Jesus does this; although it would seem the LXX would support the point Jesus is making to the Pharisees, the Hebrew original in fact would not.

    So we are asked to believe that Jesus - a true Hebrew Jew - chose to use the Greek translation of the Old Test. and furthermore, was unaware of the fact that he was using a passage that in reality was faulty and in the original would say something completely different, and be quite inappropriate for his argument, but according to the Gospels, he floored his orthodox Jewish opponents with this - a mistranslation of their own scriptures - and they did not challenge this! The same applies with James (supposedly Jesus' brother and leader of the Jewish-Christian community in Jerusalem) in Acts 15 - he uses the LXX to support his argument, although the Hebrew original says something quite different and would not support his argument, and yet all the Jews in the audience didn't comment on this!!! Obviously as the writers of the Gospels & Acts were not Palestinian Hebrew-speaking Jews, they had to use the LXX but didn't realize the errors they were making.

    Therefore, the bad news is that firstly the virgin birth is disproved by the Bible itself, and secondly, there is no written eyewitness testimony for Jesus' supposed life.

    The situation is adequately summed up by Professor Fuller, Professor of New Testament, Union Theological Seminary, and New York. (A Critical Introduction to the New Testament):

    "Of the 27 books of the New Testament only the authentic Pauline epistles are, strictly speaking, the testimony of an apostolic witness. And even Paul...was not a witness of the historical Jesus.

    Since the earliest witnesses wrote nothing...there is not a single book in the New Testament which is the direct work of an eyewitness of the historical Jesus..." (Page 197).

    February 07

    More truths about the Christian god and their god-man Jesus.

    The Bible presents an interesting picture of their god, i.e. a god who never changes (Malachi 3:6) but actually does frequently change his mind and even regrets what he's done or "repents" (Genesis 6:6,7, Exodus 32:l4, l Samuel l5:35, 2 Samuel 24:l6, l Chronicles 21:l5, Jeremiah l8:8,l0, 26:3,l3,l9, 42:l0, Ezekiel 24:l4, Joel 2:l3, Amos 7:3). Although it is to be noted that Numbers 23:l9 and l Samuel 15:2 say that god never repents.

    It states god is "spirit", i.e. non-physical (John 4:24) and yet he is always called 'him' or 'he' as if he had a male body, and then it states that although spirit, he has feet (Psalm l8:9), arms (Jeremiah 27:5), wings (Psalm 36:7), hands (Job 27:ll), eyes (Deuteronomy 8:3), a mouth (Isaiah l:20), ears (2 Chronicles 6:40), nostrils (Exodus l5:8) and legs (Genesis 3:8). He also uses a razor - Isaiah 7:20. He also occasionally roars (Joel 3:l6) and sometimes he even whistles (Isaiah 5:26). Although he has never been seen (John l:l8), he has actually been seen (Isa 6:l), and he even revealed his rear to Moses (Exodus 33:21-22).

    The presence of evil

    Christians argue that it is through Adam's sin that evil exists and furthermore it is because of his transgression that all humans must die; this is clearly taught by Paul in Rom 5:12,17,18 and is the central theology of Christianity; however, this wholly contradicts 2 Kings 14:6, Ezekiel 18:20, Jeremiah 31:30 that state a person will NOT suffer for an ancestor's wrongdoing (yet this contradicts other biblical verses that clearly state one DOES suffer for an ancestors wrongdoing).

    If the god of the Bible is truly a god, then there is a dilemma; for god to be god, he has to be omnipotent, responsible for the creation of everything; this includes evil; if he did not create evil, then he was not wholly creative, and therefore cannot be god. In fact the Bible does actually say god commits evil, e.g. Exodus 32:l4, 2 Sam 24:l6, 1 Chron 21:l5, Jer l8:8, 26:3,l3,l9, Jonah 3:l0. Furthermore he sends lying spirits (l Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles l8:22) and deliberately deceives people (2 Thessalonians 2:ll). And not only this, he admits to being responsible for the creation of evil and misery - Isaiah 45:7, and that he has deliberately made people so he can destroy them - Proverbs l6:4.

    He condemns killing (Exodus 20:l3) but orders it (Exodus 32:27); he encourages wisdom (Proverbs 4:7) but condemns it (l Corinthians l:l9); he protects the righteous (Proverbs 12:21) but does not (Hebrews ll:36-37); he cuts off the wicked (Proverbs l0:27) but does not (Job 21:7-9); he commands respect for parents (Exodus 20:l2) but encourages hatred for them (Luke l6:9); he blesses peace (Matthew 5:9) but brings war (Matthew l0:34, Revelation l9:ll).

    It continues by saying god will keep the earth (Ecclesiastes l:4), but will destroy it (2 Peter 3:l0); is invisible and unseen (John l:l8, l Timothy 6:l5-l6) but has been seen (Amos 9:l, Deuteronomy 5:24); he lives in dazzling light (l Timothy 6:l5-l6), but lives in darkness (l Kings 8:l2).

    From the statements above it is clear that the writers of the bible had no idea of who their god was and they could not agree as to the attributes that their god should have. All of this points to THERE IS NO GOD!

    The Christian life

    One example of Christian teaching not being derived from the Bible is how Christians say a great deal of the Bible gives instructions regarding a happy married/family life. In reality, this is not so at all.

    As far as "Jesus' teaching about the 'sanctity' of marriage" or even family life, the Gospels say very little on this. Jesus' teaching regarding divorce arises in Matthew l9:3-l2 and Mark l0:2-12; Luke and John omit this passage. In Mark, Jesus speaks to his Jewish audience about a woman divorcing her husband - l0:12 - however no such thing was possible in Palestine ! Here the author of Mark betrays the fact that (i)he was not an eyewitness to the events he writes of (ii)that he was not a first century Palestinian Jew (who obviously would not make such an error) i.e. Christians maintain the author of Mark is the same John Mark mentioned in Acts 12:12. However it is clear just from this that he was a Gentile, writing for a Gentile (Rome ?) audience.

    He makes numerous errors in his Gospel about Palestinian life, geography, customs and theology( the other Gospel writers freely adapted their material to emphasis the point they were trying to make. i.e. their narratives are not reliable accounts, but rather editorial compositions/redactions with no basis in historical fact).

    Mark also allows no reason for divorce - l0:l2, but the author of Matt does have Jesus saying one reason was acceptable for divorce (ie. unfaithfulness) - ie. l9:9. Presumably by the time Matthew was written, Christians (particularly Gentiles) were finding Jesus' instruction in Mark impossible to follow, so Matthew's author introduced an escape clause. Matt's author omits the statement about women divorcing their husbands as he clearly realized what an error this was (he actually tidies up other errors in Mark). In 1st century Palestine, adultery was not a crime against the woman, but a crime against her husband. Mark is therefore wrong in l0:ll and Matt (in l9:9) therefore corrects this and omits the 'against her'.

    The statement that Christian life is the basis of a happy fulfilled family life, is certainly not based on Jesus' supposed teaching. In fact Jesus says very little on this subject. One of the occasions he does refer or rather, allude to family life is when he lists some of the Ten Commandments to the man asking about acquiring eternal life, and repeats the commandment of honoring parents. This appears in Matthew l9:l6-22 where the enquirer is a young man (l9:20) and in Luke l8:l8-23, but here he is a ruler. In Mark (l0:l7-22) he is clearly not 'young' as he recalls his youth in l0:20. This is a typical example of how the Gospels do not agree with each other.

    In Mark, Jesus lists off some of the Decalogue (l0 Commandments) including 'Honor your parents', but he also lists 'Do not defraud' (l0:l9) as one of the Commandments. However, this is not one of the Ten Commandments. (These are found in Exodus 20:l-l7, Deuteronomy 5:6-21). Note how Matt (l9:l8) and Luke (l8:20), correct this error in Mark (they correct others also elsewhere in Mark). This again is an example of how Mark's author was not a Jew (who would at least know the l0 Commandments).

    Furthermore, it clearly has Jesus saying things that could not have been said, and how the speech cannot be authentic; furthermore, it shows how Matt and Luke's authors freely changed Mark where they saw a mistake; their compositions cannot be reliable accounts either.

    There is also the factor that it is somewhat inappropriate for Jesus to preach about the honoring of parents when he also advocates, for example, hating one's family (Luke l4:26), that his purpose was to break up families (Matthew l0:34-36, Luke 12:51-53), not even burying them when they die (Matthew 8:21-22) and deserting one's own family (resulting in a reward) (Luke l8:29-30).

    Jesus' teachings

    Although Christians maintain Jesus' teaching was very new and revolutionary (e.g. Matt 19:3ff), this is just not so. Most of it is borrowed from the Old Testament and contemporary faiths. In this case, he is simply repeating the strict divorce ruling of Rabbi Shammai. The famous 'Golden Rule' of Jesus in Matt 7:l2 (Do to others as you would wish them to do to you) is also far from unique; this is found in various teachings predating Christianity and even found in its negative form in the Old Testament Apocrypha - Tobit 4:l5. Much of Matthew's 'Sermon on the Mount' (not found in Mark, nor John and broken into pieces and scattered through his Gospel by Luke's author) contains a good deal borrowed from pre-Christian religion, e.g. Matt 5:9 is found in the pre-Christian Book of the Secrets of Enoch (52:ll) and Matthew 5:34-37 is also found there (49:l). In chap. 42 of this pre-Christian book, there are beatitudes which resemble the Gospel ones both in number and form.

    In summary, there is nothing unique about Jesus' teachings, the record of his life is historically doubtful through the dishonesty and incompetence of the first Christian evangelists and leaders, and the claims made about Jesus by present-day Christians are false.  Today’s Christians just make up even more fanciful stories to keep followers flowing and they abuse their power to manipulate the weak minded and weak willed into following their false religion.

    February 04

    How many did the "all-loving" Christian god kill?

                              How many has god killed? (A Complete list and estimated total)

    "I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh." -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42

    In this post, I've listed and counted god's killings in the bible. But I only included those that said exactly how many were killed by god or god had them killed. I came up with 32.9 million.

    How many did god drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? The bible doesn't say, so there's no way to know for sure. But it's possible to provide rough estimates in order to get a grand total, and that's what I'm attempting here.
    Verse                                           Number Killed           Cummulative Total
    Genesis 7:23,                                   30,000,000?                      30,000,000
    Gen.19:24,                                                1000?                      30,001,000
    Gen.19:26,                                                        1                       30,001,001
    Gen.38:7,                                                          1                         30,001,002
    Gen.38:10,                                                        1                        30,001,003
    Exodus 9:25,                                          30,000?                   30,031,003
    Ex.12:29-30,                                         500,000?                  30,531,003
    Ex.14:28,                                                   1000?                        30,532,003
    Ex.17:13,                                                   1000?                        30,533,003
    Ex.32:27-28, 35,                                         3000                         30,536,003
    Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61,                             2                    30,536,005
    Lev.24:10-23,                                                   1                  30,536,006
    Numbers 11:1,                                             100?                30,536,106
    Num.11:33,                                             10,000?                   30,546,106
    Num.14:35-36,                                             100?             30,546,206
    Num.15:32-36,                                                   1              30,546,207
    Num.16:27,                                                     12+                   30,546,219
    Num.16:35, 26:10,                                          250                    30,546,469
    Num.16:49, BT                                           14,700             30,561,169
    Num.21:1-3,                                               3000?               30,564,169
    Num.21:6,                                                     100?                    30,564,269
    Num.21:34-35,                                             1000?             30,565,269
    Num.25:9,                                                   24,000                    30,589,269
    Num.31:1-35,                                             90,000+               30,679,269
    Deuteronomy 2:21-22                                   5000?                 30,684,269
    Dt.2:33-34,                                                3000?                   30,687,269
    Dt.3:3-6                                                   60,000?                         30,747,269
    Joshua 6:21,                                               1000?                  30,748,269
    Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26,                                      5+             30,748,274
    Joshua 8:1-25,                                            12,000              30,760,274
    Joshua 10:10-11,                                       1000?                       30,761,274
    Joshua 10:24-26,                                            5                        30,761,279
    Joshua 10:28-42,                                       7000?                     30,768,279
    Joshua 11:8-12,                                  1000?                       30,769,279
    Joshua 11:20-21,                                  1000?                     30,770,279
    Judges 1:4,                                             10,000                   30,780,279
    Jg.3:15-22,                                                     1                    30,780,280
    Jg.3:28-29,                                             10,000                   30,790,280
    Jg.4:15,                                              1000?                         30,791,280
    Jg.7:2-22, 8:10,                               120,000                        30,911,280
    Jg.11:32-33,                                              1000?                 30,912,280
    Jg.14:19,                                                   30                       30,912,310
    Jg.15:14-15,                                               1000                  30,913,310
    Jg.16:27-30,                                               3000                  30,916,310
    Jg.20:35-37,                                            25,100                  30,941,410
    Jg.20:44-46                                           25,000                    30,966,410
    1 Sam.6:19,                                            50,070                    31,016,480
    1 Sam.14:12,                                                  20                   31,016,500
    1 Sam.14:20,                                             1000?                   31,017,500
    1 Sam.15:2-3,                                    1000?                          31,018,500
    1 Sam.15:32-33,                                        1                          31,018,501
    1 Sam.23:2-5                                             1000?                  31,019,501
    1 Sam.25:38                                                   1                     31,019,502
    2 Sam.5:19, 25                                            1000?                 31,020,502
    2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10                           1                      31,020,503
    2 Samuel 12:14-18                                       1                        31,020,504
    2 Sam.21:1                                            5000?                       31,025,504
    2 Sam.21:6-9                                                   7                     31,025,511
    2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7                        70,000+                    31,095,511
    1 Kg.13:1-24                                                   1                      31,095,512
    1 Kings 15:29                                            1000?                     31,096,512
    1 Kg.16:11-12                                            1000?                    31,097,512
    1 Kg.20:28-29                                         100,000                    31,197,512
    1 Kg.20:30                                           27,000                         31,224,512
    1 Kg.20:35-36                                                   1                     31,224,513
    2 Kings 1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9                           1                    31,224,514
    2 Kg.1:9-12                                               102                          31,224,616
    2 Kg.2:23-24                                                 42                        31,224,658
    2 Kg.7:17-20                                                   1                        31,224,659
    2 Kg.8:1                                         10,000?                               31,234,659
    2 Kg.9:33-37                                                   1                        31,234,660
    2 Kg.17:25-26                                                 3+                      31,234,663
    2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36     185,000                            31,419,663
    1 Chronicles 10:14                                       1                             31,419,664
    2 Chronicles 13:15-17                              500,000                      31,919,664
    2 Chr.13:20                                                    1                           31,919,665
    2 Chr.14:9-14                                       1,000,000                      32,919,665
    2 Chr.21:14-19                                                     1                     32,919,666
    2 Chr.36:16-17                                              1000?                     32,920,666
    Ezekiel 24:15-18                                        1                                32,920,667
    Acts 5:1-10                                                    2                           32,920,669
    Acts 12:23,                                                     1                           32,920,670

                                                        How very "loving".
    January 30

    Ten reasons why chrisianity is wrong (starting with # 10)

    This argument against christianity assumes that the god-myth Jesus was a real man (not a holy/godly figure in any sense). I do not believe such a person ever existed but for this argument let us assume that he did.

    10. It is Absurd: This may seem like a re-statement of what this list sets out to show. However, this is misleading. When ever someone comes to you with an extravagant claim the most common reason you may discount the claim is because, to put it curtly, you find it absurd. The reason why the majority of people don't believe in Scientology, reincarnation, Mormonism, Greek gods, etc. is not because they have extensively researched the historicity and veracity of the claims, it is because they don't believe such things happened or could happen in the world. In other words, common sense tells us that when someone claims the absurd almost anything is more likely to be the case ( i.e. they are lying, they are delusional, they are relying on misinformation) then for the absurdity to be real. Men do not miraculously heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the blind, and rise from the grave. The claims of Christianity are prima facie absurd. The burden of proof is on them to prove otherwise.

    9. Jesus Has Not Returned: This, also, may seem a soft point. However, for 2000 years—80 generations—a substantial number of every single generation of Christians has whole-heartedly believed that Jesus' return was imminent, meaning that he would return during or shortly there-after their lifetimes. This often included exact dates that, when they came to pass, did not cause the believers to toss their erroneous ideologies aside. This perennial incorrectness goes back to the beginning. One can only understand the earliest Christians—the generation immediately following Jesus' death—as a group who were expecting Jesus to return at any moment ( I Thess 4:15-17). Why did they believe this? They believe simply because, on more than one occasion, Jesus unequivocally said so (Mark 9:1, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:30). Christians have proven to be resolutely imperturbable and incorrigible to their "saviors" continued failures.

    8. God Doesn't Care: Most people believe in some form of god. When asked why they believe in god, the most common answer is taken from the argument from design: the universe is too ordered and beautiful to have arisen without intelligence behind it. Whether or not this is true, this claim has little to do with Christianity. Christianity claims that their god not only created the world but also takes an active part in its management, in our moral choices, and in our fates. In other words; He cares. It is this conception of god that bends credulity to the breaking point. God as essence—that is a "first cause" god or a "higher power" god—is a far less difficult concept than god as being. First of all, according to centuries old Christian dogma, god is immutable. In other words He is a static, non-changing "being" that cannot create new beliefs, make inferences, or adjust desires. Secondly the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent "being" having desires borders on the nonsensical. If all things are known—all that ever was, is, or will be—what would be the point of desiring anything? This is not just a simple word game. Christians consistently claim that god "wants" us to believe in him and follow his commandments. However, they also claim that he knows whether we will do so or not. So, what is the point of Him wanting anything? A god as essence is palatable. A god as being is not only ridiculous but impossible.

    7. Other Religions: For most of Christian history the problems caused by other religions were not pressing, if they were considered at all. In the enclosed world of medieval times—when most people would never travel more than 10 miles from their place of birth—people of non-Christian faiths seemed almost phantasms. However, in the modern world the pots have been poured together and the faiths now intermingle on a daily basis. This, of course, brings religious problems to the forefront. But it also should force Christians (and other faiths) to make a few realizations: first, that faiths are conveyed primarily genealogically—from parents to children—as opposed to through dialectical, later-life conversion. We can never reasonably expect everyone to become Christian. This is not because Christianity is right or wrong, but because faiths carry their own momentum that is not derived from the truth or falsity of the beliefs. Secondly, that people of other faiths can live saintly lives of intense moral rectitude that rivals any Christian saint. And third, that people are exceptionally good at perpetuating, believing in, and dying for faiths that are manifestly false (as Christians believe). In other words, as Christians must unhesitatingly accept, people are very good at making up fantastic stories about events and figures in the past and then believing in them with fervor. If Christianity was the only belief system in the world that made extravagant claims, and if its claims resembled none others in the world, then we would have more reason to believe it to be true. However, this is obviously not so. In fact, often the claims of Christianity are hopelessly derivative. Healing and resurrecting god-men have been the objects of stories for millennia (these god-men were particularly common in the Hellenized world of post-Maccabean Palestine. i.e. Apollonius of Tyana). Also, in addition to sharing many strong features with Mithraism and Zoroastrianism, many early Christians found much distaste with the idea of the virgin birth, finding it too pagan. Plutarch writes in Convivial Disputations," The fact of the intercourse of a male god with a mortal woman is conceded by all."

    6. There is No Soul: The inexcusable flippancy of the term "soul" abounds. And, although most people believe in it and freely use the term, they have no idea what it means. The evidence for physicalism—that the mind is the brain—has become nothing less than overwhelming. This evidence exists not only in the highest levels of research—where scientists can now point to, and manipulate, the exact location in our grey matter where essential characteristics lie—but it exists in the everyday lives of millions of people who take psychotropic drugs on a daily basis. These users will tell you drugs such as Prozac, lithium, Paxil and Ritalin don't just give them a slight pick-me-up; they make them an entirely different person. Some of them must wonder if their "soul" is depressed or happy, anxiety filled or laid-back. Only by ignoring 200 years of medical progress can we believe that we simply inhabit our bodies—dropping by on the way to something better. It isn't "I have a brain," it's "I am a brain."

    5. Evil: The tried and true returns. If you are a Christian you are probably rolling your eyes because you've heard it time and again. Why don't we atheists understand that: [A] God works in mysterious ways, [B] God gave us free will which allows us to commit evil and good, [C] the world is in a fallen state, and [D] Satan represents a real presence in the world? No, we don't understand because: [A] clearly God doesn't work in ways that are too mysterious for you to be unhesitant in calling something "He" did "good" and asking him to do "good" things in the world on your behalf. You can either use moral qualifiers to describe God's actions or you cannot; you can't have it both ways. [B] Not only does this point not jibe with argument "A" (if God works in mysterious ways we couldn't claim that free will is a "good") it is difficult to see how, if free will is good, the using of free will to take away another's free will ( i.e. murder) is not intensely problematic in God's eyes. Hitler used his free will to take away the free will of 10 million others. Thus, if, in 1919, God flipped the "painter" switch in Hitler's mind, the result would have greatly added to the net amount of freedom in the world. [C] This is a non-starter if the Old Testament is not accurate but, even if it is, a God who holds great-great-great… grandchildren responsible for their ancestor's actions does not pass even the bare minimum test of human morality. Without a defined concept of desert, morality is a completely empty concept. It seems God is playing fast and loose on this count. [D] If this objection is forwarded seriously, then it is little more than ditheism (dual theism). Otherwise, in the Christian universe the only power Satan has is that which God lets him have. If you believe in the traditional Christian conception of God you must believe that, ultimately, everything is His fault. Everything! This is a world where rocks fall out of the sky onto innocent people and babies can be eaten by dingoes.

    4. The Bible is Not Consistent: Many, if not most, Christians would say that the Bible is inerrant. Well, they are wrong. Saying so doesn't require an appeal to history, science, and/or archaeology; it only requires a demonstration that the Bible is incoherent—that is, it contains claims that cannot be true simultaneously. In such instances either one claim is false or they are both false—there is no other possibility. If you wish to throw rationality out the window and claim that a contradiction is possible, then you can just take your ball and go home; you are now playing a game that you can ask no one else to play with you. One example of many: Matthew (1:1-16) claims that there are 27 generations between David and Jesus, Luke (3:23-38) claims 41 generations. These cannot be reconciled. The Bible is not inerrant.

    3. Christianity is not the Religion that Jesus Preached: The story of Christianity is the story of the beliefs that Jesus professed developing into the religion that professes Jesus. To put it another way: dogma. It is pure folly to believe that Simon Peter, Thomas, Mary Magdalene etc. All followed Jesus because, when he died, they would be able to absolve their sins by believing in him. This later theological construction was created by believers who were searching for a meaning to the seemingly pointless execution of their leader and teacher. Those who originally followed Jesus did so because of his life—because he was an exemplary teacher who radically reinterpreted the Law in favor of inclusion rather than exclusion. Those who now follow Jesus do so because of his death. They turn a man's poignant teachings—his life's work—into a secondary and near meaningless preface to the panacea of his death. We primarily have Paul and John the evangelist (two people who did not know Jesus in his life) to thank for this inexcusable dumbing-down of Jesus' life. With Paul and John's help, what Christianity would become is embodied in the Nicene Creed. Take a look at it. Dogmatic fiat has expurgated everything the man stood for.

    2. The Gospels are not Historically Reliable: We need not demonstrate Biblical errors solely through appeals to internal consistency. Doing so only tells us that something in the "word of God" is awry—but not necessarily which word is wrong. In order to perform Biblical analysis that actually broadens our view of what is true and false in the "good" book we need to bring in external sources. From these external sources we learn that the Bible makes claims that cannot stand up to even the most cursory historical examination. In the Gospel of Luke the story is told of a census enacted by the governor Quirinius (Luke 2:1-7). The census, according to Luke, required everyone to return to their ancestral homes to be counted. Thus Joseph, being in the line of David, travels from Nazareth to Bethlehem where—after unadvisedly traveling ninety miles with a woman in the final days of pregnancy—Mary gives birth. The Romans, being meticulous record keepers, did take censuses. However, because of this meticulous record keeping, we know that the only census conducted during Quirinius' governorship took place in C.E. 6-7—a time over ten years after Herod was king of Judea (Luke claims they are contemporaries). However, aside from this fact we can use common sense to realize that the story is totally unbelievable. Luke invents an empire-wide migration for a simple tax registration: millions of people traveling hundreds or thousands of miles to go to their ancestral home of a millennium past (David predates Joseph by approx. 1000 years) in order to sign a simple form. Imagine this happening today. Imagine the cataclysmic disruption of societies resulting from the masses of people crossing boarders and oceans in order to sign a form. This, of course, supposes you could even find your ancestral home of a millennium past. No, something is wrong here and it isn't that the Romans liked to periodically enact sadistically cumbersome legislation. No, I think our evangelist needs to go back to history class. But wait…

    1. The Gospels are not History: This may seem like a paltry excuse for the number one spot on a list that makes such a grandiose claim. This reason, however, is the lynch pin. The historicity of the Gospels represents the most crucial element of Christianity—for either its truth or falsity. Christianity claims a specific historical relationship between God and man. If that relationship is historically inaccurate then Christianity is wrong. Or, as Paul memorably put it, "if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." (1 Cor. 15:14).
    As we've seen the Bible is often contradictory and the Gospels are not historically accurate. However, the Christian mistake is compounded by believing that the Gospels are even history—that is that they were written or designed to accurately portray historical truths. The evangelists did not intend their writings to be taken as historical truths. If they could see modern Christianity they would be shocked at the millions of Christians interpreting their writings as historically authoritative. Please don't misinterpret what I am saying. I am not saying the Gospels were entirely made up. I am saying that they were primarily written as myths that forego historical truths (but use many of them) in favor of conveying larger, theological truths that the evangelists believed about Jesus of Nazareth.
    The evangelists poured through the Old Testament and found "prophecies" that predicted Jesus' life. After all, there had to be grander reasons why their great teacher had been executed like a common criminal. In the pages of Jewish scripture they found those reasons. They then consciously wrote their gospels in order to retroactively fulfill prophecy. That this happens at all is beyond dispute. Sometimes, while stumbling over themselves to "fulfill" prophecy, they get it horribly wrong: Mark ( 1:1-3), using shoddy sources, begins his gospel with "prophecy" that mistakenly conflates two Old Testament versus; Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1. Matthew (1:20-23) uses a mistranslated Old Testament, in which the Hebrew almah, (meaning "young woman") was changed to the Greek parthenos (meaning a physical virgin), as a justification for the immaculate conception. Matthew ( 21:1-7) so wants to fulfill a "prophecy" from another shoddy source that has combined Isaiah 62:11 and Zachariah 9:9, that he misinterprets the passage—which only speaks of one animal (with subsequent qualifiers)—and has Jesus ride into Jerusalem, in some bizarre act of balance, on two animals. (The other gospel writers are quick to correct this grievous error.) Thus, we begin to see that not only is it a manifest absurdity to believe the Gospels are history; it becomes tenuous to believe they are even accurate.
    Each evangelist had his own interpretation. The theology of the evangelists—and specifically their Christology (the nature of Christ)—developed into more grandiose claims as Jesus' life moved further into the past. If you wish to discover this for yourself, I advise you to successively read the Gospel of Mark (almost universally agreed to be the earliest Gospel written between C.E. 65-70) and the Gospel of John (agreed to be the latest Gospel written between C.E. 90-100) in a single sitting. Ask yourself this question; are they telling the same story? In Mark's Gospel, Jesus largely speaks in parables and evasive third-person proclamations about someone called "the Son of Man." In John's Gospel, Jesus tells no parables and spends most of the time talking about himself, his godly status, and what the future will bring.
    So, here is a brief object lesson in the development of the concept of Jesus as God. We will only look at the beginning and the end; Jesus' birth and death. First the birth narratives; In Mark there are none. Jesus is chosen at his baptism. Matthew and Luke (written c. 80-90) go back to his birth and tell incompatible stories of Jesus' miraculous birth to a virgin. They further cement and establish the status of Jesus. John, feeling the others weren't good enough, decides to go back to the beginning of time (John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word…") to establish the nature of Jesus. The later gospels create theological concepts that were not present in the earliest sources.
    Likewise, the death of Jesus changes dramatically throughout the Gospels. The changes (of which there are many more than these) can be summed up in the three different accounts of the last words of Jesus: Mark 15:34 and Matthew 27:46 "My god, my god, why have you forsaken me." Luke 23:46 "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." John 19:30 "It is finished." The development of Christianity is encapsulated in the move from the utterance of pain, ignorance, non-acceptance, and suffering seen in Mark and Matthew to the statement of acceptance, foreknowledge, and peace that is seen in John. These are incompatible interpretations of Jesus. The character in the gospels may have the same name but it is not the same man hanging on the cross (if such a man existed).
    The Gospels are guides to belief written by believers. This is a horribly unreliable way to learn accurate information. When you already believe "The Truth," distortions that you consciously engage in - that you see as promoting "The Truth" - are not seen as lies, but rather, as efficacious ways of getting "The Truth" to the hearts of readers. We don't know why the evangelists believed as they did, but in the gospels they don't give us the reasons they believe, they give us reasons to believe; an entirely different matter. But we do KNOW they invented things. We KNOW that the theological conception of Jesus changed as the believers grew more distant from his life. What Christians believe most fervently (i.e. Jesus being God, appearing after he died, and dying for the sins of the world) are concepts that were developed later. They are concepts that did not exist in the earliest generations of Christian belief. They certainly did not exist when Jesus was alive.
    Early Christians invented myths to overcome the "stumbling-block" (1 Cor. 1:23) of the cross. Paul knew that, for the Jews and Gentile Greeks, the execution of Jesus represented a major problem. The "king of the Jews" was not supposed to be an executed lowly peasant. The "savior of mankind" was not a common criminal. Over time, theological concepts developed that explained this hang-up. Thus, an executed traitor was turned into a victorious Messiah.
    Conclusion: These are some of the reasons that people like me don't believe. Faith, or lack of it, has nothing to do with it. While none of these reasons are entirely convincing by itself, when taken together they create a strong case for the falsity of Christianity—if not an open-and-shut case. If you are a Christian and you are reading this (which I highly doubt) and if you cannot respond to each of these objections with evidence and coherent argumentation—as opposed to with faith and shouting—then you need to start shopping for a new religion.

    Debate (or lack there of)

    Recently I was sent a link to a Hebraic Christian web-site that had a “challenge” for all those who were Atheists (questions are in blue my answers are in black):

     

    The questions that The Refiner's Fire, would like to pose are as follows:

    • Why is it that atheists celebrate Christmas and Easter since both of these holidays are to honor Yeshua (Jesus)? Why are most Americans (including the atheists) going into debt to buy "Christmas" presents? Why not totally ignore this holiday by going to work and carrying on, as usual? Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to join in the festivities when you clearly abhor their very reason for being?

    My answer: The answer to this is quiet simple, it no longer means what  the Christians who stole the holiday from the older holidays (Saturnalia, Natalis Solis Invicti, and Yule) wanted it to mean. All this holiday means to most of the people is a time for family to get together, gifts to be exchanged, and time to be shared by those you care about.
    I have never celebrated this holiday in the Christian sense and neither has my Christian mother, who feels that it is not a Christian holiday due to its pagan origins but a good holiday for family.
    Did you know that in Japan the holiday is celebrated but only by families and couples and there are no days off, although they do get a "winter vacation" period to be with family and to take a break from work.
    Anyone who works regularly knows that you can use all the breaks and vacations you can get.

    ·          Why is it that atheists participate in Halloween, a pagan "holiday" that glorifies ghosts, witches, goblins, and grotesque creatures - and whose origins are steeped in the blood of human sacrifices?

    My answer: I would like to know where human sacrifice occurs in the ancient holidays of Samhain, the Norse Elven Blót, or All Saints Day (in which our modern version of Halloween derives)? The Catholic Church put in place the celebration of All Saints Day in an attempt to stamp out the Pagan holidays that took place on that same day but there are no solid accounts of human ritual sacrifices or even animal sacrifices taking place during Samhain or Elven Blót for these two rituals were held in the utmost secrecy, so how would you know?
    As to why do people participate in it? It is fun. Who doesn't want free candy or to dress up? It no longer carries its original meanings with it (much like Christmas) and now it is mainly a time for children to play dress up and receive treats. What is wrong with that? If you have a problem with it then you should truly do as the Jehovah Witnesses do and not celebrate any holidays (including anniversaries and birthdays).

    • Most of the Western World takes their "day of rest" on Saturdays and Sundays. As atheists, you should know that Saturday - the seventh day - is when Yahweh, our Creator - commanded us to rest!

    My answer: For this one I would like to answer in the following way:  The early industrial period in Europe saw a six-day work week with only Sunday off, but some workers had no days off at all. Only the labor and workers rights movements and campaigns by trade unionists in the nineteenth century saw a five day work week introduced as Saturday became a day of rest and relaxation. This movement began in England.
    As you can see this is hardly a "Christian" matter at all. If you really want to get technical, why is Saturday named for the Roman god Saturn and why does the Jewish/Christian Sabbath fall on a day that is named for a "pagan" god?
    I take these days off (when I can) for I need some days off from work. No one wants to be stuck at work all the time (although while on a US Navy Ship you don't get days off while at sea). I work most weekends put when I can get a day off I will not argue and I will take it much like a sick day.

    I then asked my own questions:

    1.       Explain how your god can be both just and merciful, when these terms apparently contradict each other.

    2.       Explain why original sin exists. Why should I be eternally tortured for something that a pair of naked fruit-munching simpletons did in a garden over six thousand years ago? If you believe that children are born stained because they were conceived sexually, explain why I would be punished for something my parents did by your merciful and just god. If this does not apply to your sect, explain why.

    3.       If your god did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, why did he put the tree in the garden of Eden (and at the center, no less)? Was it for shade? If so, why use something so dangerous as a shade tree? If the purpose of the tree was to tempt Adam and Eve, explain why it's OK for your god to engage in a practice that our modern-day courts of law refer to as "entrapment."

    4.       If you are a Protestant or a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, explain why you are still using the Catholic Bible, which was formalized by a vote among (supposedly divinely inspired) cardinals and bishops in the fourth century CE, when you disagree with the idea that the Pope, who is higher in the Catholic hierarchy, is divinely inspired; if a Catholic, explain why your church accepts the canonical Bible while rejecting the Apocrypha (do not use the "divinely inspired" argument: Because I am not religious, I will not be able to accept it).

    5.       If your god wants us to worship him through our own free will, why does he threaten us with Hell? If you have someone threatening you with a punishment, it isn't free will.

    6.       If Jesus did have to die, why did someone (specifically, Judas) have to be damned in order accomplish the death and resurrection of Jesus? Jesus was at least a volunteer for the cross; I doubt that your god asked Judas if he was willing to go to Hell so that the resurrection could be accomplished.

    7.       If Judas was willing to go to Hell for humanity (see #6), didn't he make more of a sacrifice than Jesus, who spent only three hours in pain? Shouldn't we then be worshiping Judas?

    8.       According to the Gospels, from the Christian standpoint, Jesus was the most important person to ever live. From the Roman standpoint, Jesus was a huge pain in the ass because of his political activities. Explain why nothing was written about his life for over thirty years after his death, and nothing except the Gospels was written until the third century CE.

    9.       Why is it that the life of Jesus was so similar to the lives of pagan Christ’s, particularly Herakles, Dionysius, and Asklepios, whose stories are much older than that of your saviors?

    10.   Explain why your "just and merciful" god sent bears to kill forty-two children who called his prophet Elisha "bald head." (See 2 Kings 2:23-24).

    Apparently (by “miracle” or sheer convenience) These exact questions have been asked “numerous” times by Atheists and the answer were on the web-site. Below is the question (blue print), their “answer” (maroon print), then my rebuttal (black print):

    "1. Do you people even know what an atheist is? An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God, simple as that!

    Their response: Most atheists are people who not only don't believe in God; they are people who don't like being told what to do, period. They view God as someone who is trying to infringe on their "right" to do whatever they wish - and they figure that, if they dimply "don't believe" that makes their belief true."
     
    That is an interesting take on things. What would you say to atheists in the military? Being in the military means being told what to do 24/7, with usually no questions asked.
    I would like to see the statistics that lead you to believe that "Most atheists are people who do not believe in god; they are people who don't like being told what to do, period." I am mainly speaking about in the statement in bold.
     
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    . Explain how your god can be both just and merciful, when these terms apparently contradict each other?

    Their response: Pretend you have a small child who is about to step onto a freeway full of oncoming traffic. When you realize your kid is going to die in a few seconds, the first thing you do is to yell, "Johnny, STOP!" and then jerk him up by the scruff of his neck and set him back onto the sidewalk for a good scolding or even a slap on the rear end in order to make the seriousness of this situation "sink in". Then you hug him because you want him to know you love him....

    God continuously tried to warn Man about the dangers of "good and evil" - yet man insisted on exploring his options....."

    I will ignore the fact that you did not answer the question at all in this story and focus on your story in general.
    So, according to this story of yours, if you see the child attempting to cross into the busy freeway again you will let him because he was warned and it is his choice to do so? You find this merciful and just?
     
    "3.
    Explain why original sin exists. Why should I be eternally tortured for something that a pair of naked fruit-munching simpletons did in a garden over six thousand years ago?

    Their response: When it comes right down to it, we're ALL a bunch of "simpletons" because, without Torah to guide us, we would have no blueprint for moral living. (Torah consists of the first five books of the Bible wherein God laid down some rules - without which we would all perish. The state of the world today amply evidences what happens when MAN runs amok....) So, what has changed since the Garden of Eden? Has Man gotten any wiser yet? If so, how come he's STILL disobeying God and killing his fellow Man, and raping, murdering, slandering, etc?"
     
    You did not answer the question.
    You also state (several times) that the state the world is in today is the direct cause of humanity steering away from Christianity. I wonder, do you believe it was better back in the Christian Rome, England, etc? Did the times look any better? Was the standard of living better? Were there less wars?
     
    "4.
    If you believe that children are born stained because they were conceived sexually, explain why I would be punished for something my parents did by your merciful and just god. If this does not apply to your sect, explain why?

    Their response: Where did you get the idea that children are stained because they were born sexually? That notion is certainly NOT in the Bible....God gave us sex for marriage, pleasure, intimacy and procreation (Genesis 2:24) - and along with that He also gave us some restrictions because he knew Man would end up defiling sex:

    Hebrews 13: 4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous".

    For your information, the Hebraic Faith is not a "sect" - it is living according to God's commands."
     
    The first question you actually answered! We are not talking about the "Hebraic faith" for it would fall under Judaism not Christianity. There are many different sects of Christianity, all that hold different beliefs. This question was geared to ask what you believe regarding this rule, one way or the other.
    It is an original sin question for there are some sects of Christianity that believe that the child is not born sinless for having sex is a sin.
     
    "5.
    If your god did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, why did he put the tree in the garden of Eden (and at the center, no less)? Was it for shade? If so, why use something so dangerous as a shade tree? If the purpose of the tree was to tempt Adam and Eve, explain why it's OK for your god to engage in a practice that our modern-day courts of law refer to as "entrapment"?

    Their response: You'll have to ask God why He put the Tree in the center of the Garden. He's God; He can do whatever He wants. Can you answer why George Washington chopped down the cherry tree? Or why Hitler hated Jews? Or why the Mayan civilization simply disappeared off the face of the earth? Unless you were there to actually ask questions and to see with your own eyes, you can't answer "yes" to any of those questions. And no one can answer for God....The thing is, He said "don't do", and the proper response would have been to refrain from doing whatever He said. HE is, after all, the One who created us; not the other way around.

    As far as your "entrapment" theory, that's a little far-fetched. If you read the warning, or are told not to climb the fence around an electrical sub-station because, once inside, you'll run the risk of being electrocuted, do you consider that "entrapment"? Or will you use your God-given brain to stay away? If you're warned and you choose to ignore that warning and you end up dying, that's plain stupidity on your part; not "entrapment". Adam and Eve were stupid for disobeying something their Creator - one who even "walked with them in the cool of the Garden" - warned them against."
     
    As to George Washington some historians believe Weems invented or greatly embellished the dialog, while others build Weems credibility by citing the facts that he did interview older people who knew young Washington, but the point is it is not known whether this story is fact or fiction. Read Mein Kampf  if you are confused as to why Hitler hated the Jewish people and felt they had to be exterminated. That question has already been answered years ago. As for the Mayans, there are two different categories of theories: the Non-ecological theories and the Ecological theories. You may look up these theories yourself and attempt to decipher the truth yourself if you wish. Science and Archeology will give us an answer eventually.
    As for entrapment, in jurisprudence, entrapment is a legal defense by which a defendant may argue that he or she should not be held criminally liable for actions which broke the law, because they were induced (or entrapped) by the police to commit said acts.
    By the Christian god placing the tree in an easily accessible area, he entrapped Adam and Eve. That is entrapment, so now you can answer whether placing the tree in and easily accessible area for the sole purpose of tempting them to disobey him (for you bible states that he did know, for he knows all) was ok or not.
     
     
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    . If you are a Protestant or a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, explain why you are still using the Catholic Bible, which was formalized by a vote among (supposedly divinely inspired) cardinals and bishops in the fourth century CE, when you disagree with the idea that the Pope, who is higher in the Catholic hierarchy, is divinely inspired; if a Catholic, explain why your church accepts the canonical Bible while rejecting the Apocrypha (do not use the "divinely inspired" argument: Because I am not religious, I will not be able to accept it)?

    Their response: If you read any part of our website, you'd know we are Messianic, not Catholic nor Eastern Orthodox, nor even Protestant. Therefore, your question is rendered moot....As do most atheists who write to The Refiner's Fire, you've obviously copied and pasted questions someone else has written. This proves you haven't exercised your "atheistic" right to THINK for yourself; much less, READ the Bible so you can come up with your OWN logical conclusions...."
     
    I did not read you site, I have no desire to. I came across the link to the questions you posed from a forum and decided to answer them. Since you wanted to point this out and yet still not answer the question but accuse me (or other atheists since you did not have the common courtesy to answer my questions yourself) I will pose it to you this way: as a follower of Messianic Judaism (a SECT in Christianity), why do you follow a bible that has be edited, re-edited, mistranslated, has had books added, has had books taken away, and has evidence of forgery in it (most of these things have been done during the votes mentioned above) could be true in any sense?
     
    "7.
    If your god wants us to worship him through our own free will, why does he threaten us with Hell? If you have someone threatening you with a punishment, it isn't free will.

    Their response: God doesn't send anyone to hell; we send ourselves to hell. God has given us every chance to accept Him, and He has given us WRITTEN information as to what happens after we die. It's OUR choice!
    Yahweh has done everything possible to give us chance after chance after chance, yet we ALWAYS managed to blow it. The FINAL chance He gave us was when He sent us an aspect of Himself who taught us how to worship Him properly, how to treat each other in a civilized manner, and then to offer HIMSELF as the Final Sin Sacrifice. This aspect of God was called Yeshua (Hebrew = "Salvation"). He was foreshadowed throughout the entire "Old Testament" and He did exactly what He came to do. Yet people are too blind, too proud, too stubborn and too dense to even bother to investigate what He was all about. It's much easier to ignore, or make fun of Him and of those who believe in Him.....
    God has always had only our best interests at heart - like ANY decent parent. Parents have to have rules for their kids, or else their kids will end up destroying themselves and others. Do we not teach our toddlers that stoves are hot? That streets are dangerous? That eating dirt will make them sick? Any parent who loves their kid will teach that child what's good and what's bad. Why should God be any different? Without His teachings, we wouldn't even know good from bad! And you want to condemn Him for this?"
     
    This god is condemned for the fact that it would send innocents to "eternal torment" for simple unbelief due to lack of evidence. This is much different than a parent's teachings. One can believe in their parents for they see their parents, they hear their parents, they know their parents, etc. If a child was denied any contact with their parents while they were growing up, and then when they reach an age of understanding they are given a book that has certain rules written in it and many stories in it that seem more of fiction than fact but then they are told that their parents wrote that book for them and they are to believe this and do everything that this book (even though it contradicts itself) says but most importantly they must believe that their parents wrote it for them and believe that their parents are still out there and they care and love them or they will be tortured for eternity when they die, what do you suppose the reaction would be?
    The concept of Hell (and yes, only your god can send people there. It is by human beings choices but you god still created it and will send people there.) is flawed and used only to scare others into following.
     
    "8.
    If Jesus did had to die, why did someone (specifically, Judas) have to be damned in order accomplish the death and resurrection of Jesus? Jesus was at least a volunteer for the cross; I doubt that your god asked Judas if he was willing to go to Hell so that the resurrection could be accomplished?

    Their response: Judas didn't have to be dammed; he damned himself by being greedy and turning his Teacher over to the authorities for thirty pieces of silver. God uses our "carnal natures" (our inner drives and desires that we choose to cater to) for His own glory. He used Hitler's Holocaust to bring about two major end times prophecies: Israel became a nation again in 1948 in one day, exactly as foretold. (Also see Israel and Jerusalem: The Road to Armageddon)

    Ezekiel 37: 21 "Thus says the Lord God: ' Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land.""
     
    Your god created Judas for the purpose of betraying Jesus. He knew, as he was creating Judas, that Judas would betray Jesus. Therefore Judas was damned to Hell the minute he was born, even before he was born! It was not Judas' choice for this is why he was created. If this is not so then how could your god know if Judas would betray Jesus?
     
    "9.
    If Judas was willing to go to Hell for humanity, didn't he make more of a sacrifice than Jesus, who spent only three hours in pain? Shouldn't we then be worshipping Judas??

    Their response: Yeshua spent a whole lot more than three hours in pain! He was whipped, flogged, spat upon, and beaten within an inch of His life for hours on end, before He ever went to the cross - where He spent another SIX HOURS in agony! (Your moronic comment shows you haven't actually read the Bible - and we suggest you read the Gospels for yourself instead of getting your ideas from someone who knows no more than you do!) And then read the "Old Testament" - specifically the Book of Leviticus - which shows how God always required blood sacrifices to atone for sin. That blood had to come from a completely perfect, unblemished animal. Yeshua was that perfect, unblemished FINAL Sin Sacrifice. He was, as the Bible clearly tells us, God Incarnate; whereas Judas was a mere, sinful, conniving man."
     
    You say your god demanded blood sacrifices to atone for sin? Doesn't this seem barbaric and makes no more sense than other people making sacrifices to their gods for atonement?
    Does the bible give an exact hour/day count of how long his suffering lasted? Where are these verses?
     
    "10.
    According to the Gospels, from the Christian standpoint, Jesus was the most important person to ever live. From the Roman standpoint, Jesus was a huge pain because of his political activities. Explain why nothing was written about his life for over thirty years after his death, and nothing except the Gospels was written until the third century CE?

    Their response: It never ceases to amaze us how atheists who haven't got a clue about God or the Bible think they have believers over a barrel! The answer to your supposedly "unanswerable question" is: In Biblical times when only the elite could read or write, most historical facts were passed down orally - and you can bet that His story was passed down orally before being put to writing!"
     
    I will not put the rest of the "answer" here for it is too long and unnecessary. You say that this is a truth? Why then, didn't the Romans even mention his death? The Romans wrote everything down, they chronicled every thing that came across their scope(and it has been said that their era was the best recorded era in history), and yet they missed the death of a god? Even the death of a man would have sufficed (in which logs where kept).
     
    "11.
    Why is it that the life of Jesus was so similar to the lives of pagan Christ’s, particularly Herakles, Dionysius, and Asklepios, whose stories are much older than that of your savior's?

    Their response: Satan has always and is still is busy sending forth deceit. The difference between the above-mentioned pagans and Yeshua is that Yahweh's SON was sent for a reason, and He impacted the world to the point where he is STILL the most influential entity who ever lived. Yeshua's impact resonates into eternity, whereas hardly anyone recognizes the names of "Herakles, Dionysius, and Asklepios"...."
     
    According the traditions and stories of the above pagan "Christ's" they were all sent for a purpose as well. You say he is the most influential? Then is it hard to believe that, say, Herakles (or the Greek Hercules) or Dionysius or Asklepios or Mithras or Attis or Osiris could have influenced the Jesus story since they were the most influential entities that had ever lived during the time of the Jesus myth? I find it hard to believe that anyone would ignore these stories, especially the Osiris-Dionysius stories, and still claim the Jesus story as "original".
     
    "12.
    Explain why your "just and merciful" god sent bears to kill forty-two children who called his prophet Elisha "bald head." (See 2 Kings 2:23-24).

    Their response: First of all, if you KNEW your Bible, you could see they were not young children; they were a gang of snotty youths (teenagers) who were jeering the Prophet Elisha. Kids have always been cruel and today's youths are still as evil as they always were - and getting worse (as the Bible has ALSO prophesied...). There are documented incidences where some kids have killed their parents because they refused to take "no" for an answer. In Biblical times BEFORE Yeshua came to die as our Final Sin Sacrifice, God ordered belligerent youths to be stoned! That is how serious He is about training children up properly....

    Secondly, have you ever read ALL of 2 Kings 2? If not, then we suggest you educate yourself before spouting off something you know nothing about. If you had read from the beginning of this chapter, you would see that earlier that day, Elisha lost his master, Elijah, when God took him to heaven (he was the second person we know of to be "raptured"! See also Genesis 5:24.) Bottom line: Elisha had a really bad day and when those snotty youths jeered him, he lashed out. Did GOD kill the kids? No - Elisha called the curse down on them IN THE NAME OF THE LORD...The spoken word can be a very dangerous thing - and in those days prophets were able to accomplish many things with just a spoken word!"
     
    How did the prophets of that time accomplish what they did? Does it not say that through gods power they accomplish their deeds? Therefore, Elisha called a curse upon the children, and then your god carried out the curse (meaning your god sent the bears).
    A teen is still a child and they are still young, therefore they are young children in my eyes.
    The main point here is that your god had bears kill children for making fun of his prophet. While the prophet still called upon god to curse them and kill them your god still obliged. Do you feel this was just? They throw out insults and then they are murdered? That doesn't even fall under the law at the times: Eye for an Eye. Then again your god is just and merciful, so this little blemish on his record should be over looked.

    These questions were never answered, I was told that all I did was reword the original questions (even though all but one went unanswered) to try to “trick” them. Trick them into what exactly, I have no clue.

    If you ever confront a Christian like this do not expect to receive an answer out of them. They will dance around the question with bible versus and condemn you to their Hell but they will not answer the questions directed at them. Why, you might ask? Because they can’t.

    November 15

    Jesus lied

    DID JESUS LIE?

    Jesus promised his followers in no uncertain terms that he would soon return in glory and vindication. He vowed to redeem their suffering and to establish the Kingdom of God* on earth.. To heighten their expectations he assured his followers that most of them would live to see all of this come to pass. His failure to do so places Christians on the horns of a serious dilemma by exposing him as a false prophet.

    Jesus’ hollow promises work to seriously undermine his credibility. If the credibility of Jesus is undermined, so is that of the church. If, on the other hand, it is argued that the gospels and Paul reported incorrectly, does that not seriously undermine the credibility of the New Testament? Even if one were to argue that God knowingly inspired the contradictions, errors and broken promises in the New Testament, as have some, why should anyone believe any of its teachings if so much of it could be false?

    In Matthew 7:15, the famous Sermon on the Mount, Jesus warns his listeners to, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” A "false prophet" is defined in Deuteronomy 18:21-22 where it reads: "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously. Thou shalt not be afraid of him". Did Jesus ever predict something which didn't happen? The answer is a resounding yes. He in fact told several bald-faced lies.

    In Matthew 7:19 we read, “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire". Here Jesus condemns false prophets to hell. Since he himself qualifies as a false prophet isn't he saying that he should go to hell?

    The following quotes confirm that Jesus deliberately lied to his followers thereby leading them into false expectations.

    Matthew 10:23 - When giving instructions to his apostles as to just how they are to go about spreading his message Jesus says,." . . . for truly I say unto you, you shall not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes."

    Matthew 16:28 - Jesus says to his disciples, "There are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

    Matthew 24:33-34 - After prophesying a wide assortment of events including the second coming, Jesus said to his disciples, " . . . when you shall see all these things, know that it (the 2nd coming) is near, even at the door. This generation shall not pass till these things be fulfilled." He was obviously referring to the contemporary generation.

    Matthew 26:64 - When brought before Caiaphas, the Chief Priest, Jesus said to him, "I tell you, hereafter you shall see the Son of Man . . . coming on the clouds of heaven." According to this the second coming was to happen during Caiaphas' lifetime.

    Mark 9:1 - Jesus said to the people and to his disciples, ”Verily I say unto you, that there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

    Luke 21:27-28 -Jesus said to the congregation, “And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”

    Luke 21:32 - Jesus said, again to the congregation, “This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”

    John 5:47 - Jesus says, "If you do not believe his [Moses'] writings, how will you believe my words?" To Christians Moses' writings are the five books of the Pentateuch, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. In them is given the law of Moses which includes, among other things, the hallowed Ten Commandments. Jesus either ignored or actually broke many of them as we have seen.

    John 18:20 - When being questioned by the high priest, Jesus answered, "I spake openly to the world; I have ever** taught in the synagogues and in the temple, and in secret have I said nothing." Here he told two lies. For example, the Sermon on the Mount, perhaps his most famous sermon was delivered neither in a synagogue nor in the temple but on a mountain top (Matthew 5:1.) In Matthew 16:20 he warns his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah. In other words, Keep it a secret.

    Revelation 22:7, 12, 20 - Jesus says, "Behold, I come quickly."

    Almost two thousand years have passed, all those who knew him are long dead, yet Jesus’ promise of a quick return remains unfulfilled. I think it’s time to acknowledge that either the New Testament Gospels are fiction or that Jesus flat-out lied***.

    October 28

    Hell/Judgment Houses

    These are rediculous. These christians actually reinacts parts of the 9/11 attacks, abortions, suicides, and people burning in their imaginary Hell for trivial things. These people actually reduce 9/11 to not listening to their god!
    These Hell Houses only help our position on their religion and show that christians will go to any length to scare people into believing.
    I think a better idea for a "Hell House" would be what the U.S. would look like if these nut-cases actually had control over the country. Imagine, Gay's and Les' being put to death because of what they are and the choices they make. Women are forced to carry unwanted babies (probably breaking a family apart or inviting abuse). Anyone who disagrees with the christians are either put to death or expelled from the country.
    Not my idea of a way to run a scociety. Sounds too much like Nazi Germany and the old England in which we won our independance.
    October 26

    The Jesus "prophecies"

    I recently received an email pertaining to the different prophecies pertaining to the god-man Jesus in the Christian bible. “Look at all the prophecies Jesus fulfilled”, they say(basically). “He must be the savior!" Well, Let's look at some common prophecies and a very brief overview of what is wrong with them:

    Virgin birth

    No, there is no virgin birth prophecy. Is 7:14 reads with "ha-almah", which means "young woman". "Bet'ulah" is the Hebrew term for virgin, and it is used later in Isaiah, so the author of Isaiah certainly knew the difference. Then there's Is 8:3, which has that child mentioned in Is 7:14 being born. Is 9:6 refers to that same child of Is 8:3.

    Jesus

    Is 53 deals with Israel, not some savior.

    The “pierced” man

    Ps 22 does not read "pierced". "Ka-'ari" means "like a lion"

    There is no prophecy of the savior being in the ground 3 days and coming back. Judaism in fact has no dying and rising savior story.

    Look at Is 9:1-2 and then look at Matt 4:12-16. Notice something amiss? Yeah. The author of Matthew chopped part of Is 9:1 out. Talk about manufacturing a prophecy to fit your needs!

    Micah 5:2 refers only to that the savior's lineage comes from Bethlehem, not that he would be born there. That is to say, the savior is of the Davidic line, and Jesus wasn't of the Davidic line!

    Those are just some of the crap "prophecies". You're better off not trying the rest.

    October 03

    A new way to put it

    This is a story that was sent to me from a reader. I like the point to it and it sums up my reasons for all this quite nicely. I especially like how they gave me the resources for their work!!

    Vietnam War Hero.

    Suppose I told you there was a soldier in the Vietnam War named "Hero Savior" who miraculously calmed storms, healed wounds, conjured food and water out of thin air, and then was blown up by artillery, but appeared again whole and alive three days later, giving instructions to his buddies before flying up into outer space right before their very eyes. Would you believe me? Certainly not. You would ask me to prove it.

    So I would give you all the evidence I have. But all I have are some vague war letters by a guy who never really met Hero Savior in person, and a handful of stories written over thirty years later by some guys named Bill, Bob, Carl, and Joe. I don't know for sure who these guys are. I don't even know their last names. There are only unconfirmed rumors that they were or knew some of the war buddies of Hero Savior. They might have written earlier than we think, or later, but no one really knows. No one can find any earlier documentation to confirm their stories, either, or their service during the war, or even find these guys to interview them. So we don't know if they really are who others claim, and we're not even sure these are the guys who actually wrote the stories. You see, the undated pamphlets circulating under their names don't say "by Bill" or "by Bob," but "as told by Bill" and "as told by Bob." Besides all that, we also can't find any record of a Hero Savior serving in the war. He might have been a native guide whose name never made it into official records, but still, none of the historians of the war ever mention him, or his amazing deeds, or even the reports of them that surely would have spread far and wide.

    Besides the dubious evidence of these late, uncorroborated, un-sourced, and suspicious stories, the best thing I can give you is that war correspondence I mentioned, some letters by an army sergeant actually from the war, who claims he was a skeptic who changed his mind. But he never met or saw Hero in life, and never mentions any of the miracles that Bob, Bill, Carl, and Joe talk about. In fact, the only thing this sergeant ever mentions is "seeing" Hero after his death, though not "in flesh and blood," but in a "revelation." That's it.

    This sergeant also claims the spirit of Hero Savior now enables him and some others to "speak in tongues" and "prophecy" and heal some illnesses, but none of this has been confirmed or observed by anyone else on record, and none of it sounds any different than what thousands of other cults and gurus have claimed. So, too, for some unconfirmed reports that some of these believers, even this army sergeant, endured persecution or even died for believing they "saw Hero in a revelation"--a fact no more incredible than the Buddhists who set themselves on fire to protest the Vietnam War, certain they would be reincarnated, or the hundreds of people who voluntarily killed themselves at Jonestown, certain their leader was sent by God.

    Okay. I've given you all that evidence. Would you believe me then? I would hope not. No one trusts documents that come decades after the fact by unknown authors, and hardly anyone believes the hundreds of gurus today who claim to see and speak to the spirits of the dead, heal, and predict the future. Every reasonable person expects and requires extensive corroboration by contemporary documents and confirmed eyewitness accounts. Everyone would expect here at least as much evidence as I'd need to prove I owned a nuclear missile, yet the standard required is actually that of proving I own an interstellar spacecraft--for these are clearly very extraordinary claims, and as we saw above, such claims require extraordinary evidence, as much as would be needed, for example, to convince the United Nations that I had an interstellar spacecraft on my lawn. Yet what we have for this Hero Savior doesn't even count as ordinary evidence, much less the extraordinary evidence we really need.

    To complete the analogy, many other things would rightly bother us. Little is remarkable about the stories told of Hero Savior, for similar stories apparently have been told of numerous Vietnamese sorcerers and heroes throughout history--and no one believes them, so why should we make an exception for Hero? The documents we have from Bob, Bill, Carl, and Joe have also been tampered with--we've found some cases of forgery and editing in each of their stories by parties unknown, and we aren't sure we've caught it all. Apparently, their stories were used by several different cults to support their causes, and these cults all squabble over the exact details of the right cause, and so tell different stories or interpret the stories differently to serve their own particular agenda. And the earliest version, the one told by Bob, which both Bill and Joe clearly copied, added to, and edited (which Carl might have done, too, perhaps by borrowing loosely from Joe), appears to have been almost entirely constructed out of passages from an ancient Vietnamese poem, arranged and altered to tell a story full of symbolic and moral meaning. These and many other problems plague the evidence, leaving it even more suspect than normal.

    This Hero Savior analogy entirely parallels the situation for Jesus. Every reason we would have not to believe these Hero Savior stories applies to the stories of Jesus with all the same force. So if you agree there would be no good reason to believe these Hero Savior stories, you must also agree there is insufficient reason to believe the Jesus Christ stories. Hence I am not a Christian because the evidence is not good enough. For it is no better than the evidence proposed for Hero Savior, and that falls far short of the burden that would have to be met to confirm the very extraordinary claims surrounding him.

     

     

    For documentation supporting the Hero Savior analogy (as applied to the resurrection of Jesus), see: • Bruce Metzger, The Text Of The New Testament (4th ed., 2005) and The Canon of the New Testament (1997). • Bart Ehrman, The New Testament (3rd ed., 2003), The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture (1996), and Lost Christianities (2003). • Udo Schnelle, The History and Theology of the New Testament Writings (1998). • Robert E. Van Voorst, Jesus Outside the New Testament (2000). •Charles H. Talbert, What is a Gospel? (1977). See also the Secular Web library on the Resurrection
    Gerd Lüdemann, The Resurrection of Jesus (1995), The Resurrection of Christ (2004), and What Really Happened to Jesus (1996). • Bob Price, Deconstructing Jesus (2000) and The Incredible Shrinking Son of Man (2003). • G. A. Wells, The Jesus Legend (1996) and The Jesus Myth (1998). • Earl Doherty, Challenging the Verdict and The Jesus Puzzle (1999).

    September 25

    My thoughts on christianity

    The Christian faith is based on the belief that their bible is indeed the word of their god. If their bible cannot be shown to be inspired, then the Christian faith could be said to be false. If the Christian bible cannot be shown to be inspired, then the whole of Christianity can be said to be the same as any other religion that has been devised and practiced by man.

    The bible story of the god-man Jesus is a contradictory account, like most of their bible. Their bible shows that this particular god-man spoke and taught many absurd and foolish things, all the while preaching against his own teachings or acting in direct contrast to his very belief system. If one were to read the entire Christian bible, one will find tales of ignorance, murder, sexual perversions, mass insanity, idiotic laws, and even cannibalism and human sacrifice. This staggers the imagination how anyone in his right mind could read the Christian bible and believe that it was written by a all-wise, all-just, and (most importantly) all-loving god. Christians have found biblical scriptures telling them to burn people at the stake, to justify slavery, to oppress and persecute others, and to kill and commit war in the name of their god. Unfortunately, there are some even today that would have us return to the teachings and laws found in this supposed “perfect” work of a living god.

    We are taught in our culture that Jesus is the divine hero, but other cultures have different saviors. Religious beliefs are a function of the culture in which one lives. If we had been reared in a different culture, we would have heard the story of a different savior, instead of the Jesus story. Upon comparing the stories of the different saviors that are far older than Christianity, one finds that the similarities are so striking; it is hard to swallow that this Jesus was the one true savior. In fact, the main problem the Romans had with the Christian religion was that it was parallel to teachings of their scholars and the stories of Apollo, Dionysus, Herakles, ect.  

    Jesus as a god-man is a myth and is proven by the very bible that Christians hold so dear (as told in
    Isaiah 7:1-16; you will find that most Christians will justify Isaiah 7:14 is the prophecy of this Jesus fellow but we clearly see after reading 1-16 that this prophecy is meant for King Ahwaz). Belief in these christian myths has brought misery, suppression of thought and inquiry, fear, and has promoted ignorance. The human race no longer needs these myths of old. Just as little children grow up and learn the truth about the existence of the tooth fairy, Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny, the human race needs to mature and learn the truth about the existence of god.

    September 21

    Questions to Christians.

    Want to Convert Me?

    Here is another set of questions I think the Christians should answer, if they ever expect me to be a Christian again.

    The Hierophant's Proselytizer Questionnaire

    Presented to: Christians

    By: the Hierophant’s at squirrelsisland.com

    Under no circumstances will "The LORD works in mysterious ways" or other arguments in that vein be acceptable. If a question does not apply to your particular sect, explain why.

    Thank you!
    Ellaister

    0. If necessary, use this space to explain any unique beliefs your sect has about the nature of your god, heaven, hell, the Bible, the Holy Spirit/Ghost, Satan, etc.

    1. Explain why your god's only son had to die so we can go to magic happy land when we croak.

    2. Did everyone who died before Jesus died go to Hell? Justify your answer.

    3. If a Catholic, justify the Inquisition and other persecutions of "heretics" throughout the centuries, concentrating on why the Pelagianists, the Priscillianists, and the Manichaeans were persecuted; if a Protestant, justify the witch trials and the way that Protestants constantly hunted down native Americans until there were so few that the government could simply take their land; if a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, justify the persecutions of the Old Believers after the reforms of the seventeenth century.

    4. Explain why your sect (whether Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox) pursued, tortured, and killed people who were not Christian.

    5. Explain why your sect (whether Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox) pursued, tortured, and killed people who were not members of your particular sect.

    6. Explain why I should believe that your god is all-good when the only real information we have about him is the Bible, which clearly describes him as both good and evil. (See Isaiah 30:32, Luke 14:26, Numbers 31:17-18, Matthew 10:34, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 18:8, Deuteronomy 20:16, Exodus 20:5, Exodus 32:27, Isaiah 45:7, Psalms 52:5, Luke 22:36, and Jeremiah 18:11 for a small sample of Biblical passages which describe Jehovah as having an evil morality at times).

    7. Explain why, when racism is clearly wrong, Jesus was clearly a racist (see Mark 7:25-29). NOTE: under no circumstances will I believe the idea that racism is morally acceptable.

    8. Explain why, when discrimination against women is clearly wrong, the Bible clearly supports the oppression of women. Answering this question entails refuting 1 Cor 11 and 1 Tim 2:11-15. NOTE: under no circumstances will I believe that discrimination against women solely on the basis of sex is morally acceptable.

    9. Explain why, when slavery is clearly wrong, the Bible clearly supports slavery. Answering this question entails refuting 1 Peter 2:18. NOTE: under no circumstances will I believe that slavery is an acceptable way to run a society.

    10. Explain why children should submit to their parents' decisions even when those decisions are clearly evil. Answering this question entails refuting Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Proverbs 13:24, and Hebrews 12:7-8.

    11. Explain why, if your god loves us all, more than half of us are going to Hell after we die. Specifically, refute or explain the following words of Christ, as presented in the New Testament: "Many are called but few are chosen," and "Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth unto salvation, and few there be that find it." If your god loves all of us, couldn't he find a better way?

    12. Explain what type of offense could possibly justify eternal, unbearable torture in Hell; if your sect does not believe in Hell, then refute every passage in the Old and New Testaments which describes Hell (such as 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 and Revelation 20:15). Do not exceed 100 words.

    13. Explain how your god can be both just and merciful, when these terms apparently contradict each other.

    14. Explain why possession by demons and/or other evil spirits was common during the time of Jesus, but hardly mentioned in the Old Testament, and apparently has been explained completely away today by things such as epilepsy and schizophrenia.

    15. Explain why, if the personality resides in the soul, things like drugs and brain damage can affect someone's personality.

    16. If heaven is a place where everyone is perfectly happy, then explain how I could be happy in heaven if I had loved ones in Hell.

    17. What is Heaven like?

    18. What is Hell like?

    19. Explain why original sin exists. Why should I be eternally tortured for something that a pair of naked fruit-munching simpletons did in a garden over six thousand years ago? If you believe that children are born stained because they were conceived sexually, explain why I would be punished for something my parents did by your merciful and just god. If this does not apply to your sect, explain why.

    20. Explain why getting dunked in or sprinkled with water will prevent me from being eternally tortured for the actions of the naked fruit-munching simpletons mentioned in #19.

    21. If your god did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, why did he put the tree in the garden of Eden (and at the center, no less)? Was it for shade? If so, why use something so dangerous as a shade tree? If the purpose of the tree was to tempt Adam and Eve, explain why it's OK for your god to engage in a practice that our modern-day courts of law refer to as "entrapment."

    22. Explain why sex, potentially one of the most wonderful, beautiful things in human nature, is considered "bad" by your particular sect. If your sect does not consider sex to be "bad," then refute Matthew 19:12, 1 Corinthians 7 (particularly verses 1 and 9), Galatians 5:17, 1 Thessalonians 4:3, James 1:14-15, Matthew 24:38, Luke 17:27, and Revelation 14:4.

    23. Explain why, if Jesus was perfect, he thought that the end of the world was coming soon, when it has clearly not come yet. See Matthew 16:27-28.

    24. Explain why some people (James, Peter, Paul, Thomas, etc.) should get convincing physical proof of miracles, while the rest of us are supposed to take these happenings on faith.

    25. Why are the stories of the resurrection inconsistent?

    26. If you are a Protestant or a member of an Eastern Orthodox church, explain why you are still using the Catholic Bible, which was formalized by a vote among (supposedly divinely inspired) cardinals and bishops in the fourth century CE, when you disagree with the idea that the Pope, who is higher in the Catholic hierarchy, is divinely inspired; if a Catholic, explain why your church accepts the canonical Bible while rejecting the Apocrypha (do not use the "divinely inspired" argument: Because I am not religious, I will not be able to accept it).

    27. If your god is kind and gentle, why do some animals have to eat meat?

    28. If your god is kind and gentle, why did he create parasites?

    29. If your god wants us to worship him through our own free will, why does he threaten us with Hell? If you have someone threatening you with a punishment, it isn't free will.

    30. Why would your god deliberately cause sinners to sin (cf. Romans 9:15-23 and numerous parts of the book of Exodus where Jehovah says, "I will harden Pharaoh's heart."). Are these sinners still responsible for the sins which your god forces them, against their will, to commit? Justify your answer.

    31. If Jesus did have to die, why did someone (specifically, Judas) have to be damned in order accomplish the death and resurrection of Jesus? Jesus was at least a volunteer for the cross; I doubt that your god asked Judas if he was willing to go to Hell so that the resurrection could be accomplished.

    32. If Judas was willing to go to Hell for humanity (see #31), didn't he make more of a sacrifice than Jesus, who spent only three hours in pain? Shouldn't we then be worshipping Judas?

    33. Why should we accept the words of the gospel writers as truth when they are known to be liars? (See Romans 3:7).

    34. Do you believe that your god is anti-homosexual? If so, explain why he would create homosexuals in the first place. If not, refute or explain away Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:26-27.

    35. Explain why prayer is OK, but spell casting is not, when both amount to the same thing: requesting that a superior supernatural force to intercede in a way that would be impossible according to the normally accepted laws of physics.

    36. According to the Gospels, from the Christian standpoint, Jesus was the most important person to ever live. From the Roman standpoint, Jesus was a huge pain in the ass because of his political activities. Explain why nothing was written about his life for over thirty years after his death, and nothing except the Gospels was written until the third century CE.

    37. Explain why you believe a person whose life is so poorly documented (see #36) was even ever born.

    38. Define the word "Christ," including references to the pagan origins and meaning of the word.

    39. Explain why Jesus, who was anti-Gentile (see Mark 7:25-29) and anti-sex (see Luke 14:26 and Matthew 19:12), would want to be anointed with oil in a pagan sexual rite after his death (see your definition for #38).

    40. In light of Matthew 10:34, explain why Jesus is called the Prince of Peace.

    41. The name "Jesus" has been anglicized. What was the original (Hebrew) name of Jesus? Where did you get this information? This is a bonus question.

    42. Why is it that the life of Jesus was so similar to the lives of pagan Christ’s, particularly Herakles, Dionysius, and Asklepios?

    43. If your god requires that people believe in him and follow his orders through their own free will, why do Christians push their views on public policy?

    44. Explain why being a good Christian requires you to push your beliefs on others. If you do not believe that you have to push your views on others (no matter how much this annoys them), explain why you do not believe this despite the fact that the New Testament seems to suggest that you must do this to get to Heaven (for instance, in Matthew 28:19-20).

    45. Explain why spreading the "truth of Christ" requires you to spread lies about other religions, such as the idea that so-called "white witches" worship the Christian devil. (Incidentally, they don't, and this rumor has been persistently spread by Christians since the second century CE).

    46. At no point in the four Gospels did Jesus claim to be the son of your god. (He said "son of man" quite frequently, and at one point referred to himself as "a son of god," but that was a common Hebrew expression at the time. Someone who was "a son of god" was a Jew. This reflected the Israelites' belief that they were the chosen people of your god. See Job 1:6). Why, then, do you believe that Jesus was divine? If you don't believe that Jesus was divine, then why do you call yourself a Christian?

    47. Given the fact that Jesus did not say anything original (the Golden Rule and the "turn the other cheek" idea were stolen from Buddhism; and the Beatitudes were common in the Jewish devotional literature at the time), why do you see Jesus as such a great thinker/philosopher/ethicist?

    48. When Jesus said, "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also," why do you suppose that most Christians fight for their rights? To put it another way, why don't we, as a country of 85% Christians, let the government abuse us?

    49. Why are so many Christian holidays on the same day as Pagan holidays? Couldn't the early Church fathers have converted pagans only by appealing to their reason and/or faith if Christianity is the true religion?

    50. Explain how your god can be "just and merciful" in light of Exodus 20:5.

    51. Do you believe that the Old Testament should be accepted as part of Christian theology? If so, explain how you can worship such a cruel, sadistic asshole (see Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 20:16, Proverbs 20:30, Amos 3:6, Deuteronomy 13:8, Psalms 3:7, Psalms 52:5, etc.); if not, explain how you can believe that Jesus is the promised savior sent by your god without the messianic prophecies and the ruling rights of the line of David, both of which are in the Old Testament in books such as Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Psalms, etc. (as opposed to, say, believing that Jesus was an irritating nut wandering around saying things that people didn't like much).

    52. Explain why your "just and merciful" god sent bears to kill forty-two children who called his prophet Elisha "baldhead." (See 2 Kings 2:23-24).

    53. If prostitution is wrong, why are there so many examples of it in Genesis? (For instance, Gen 19:8, where Lot offers his daughters to a mob so that his guests can avoid gang rape).

    54. What is the sin that people committed that is so incredibly bad that your god had to become flesh and die to correct?

    55. Are all members of other faiths bad? Are they all damned to Hell? Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.

    56. Are all atheists/agnostics/humanists bad? Are they all damned to Hell? Justify your answer with quotes from the Bible.

    57. What was your motive in proselytizing to me?

    58. Where is Heaven?

    59. Where is Hell?

    60. Why don't animals go to heaven or hell when they die? What makes us so special?

    61. Why does Satan try to get peoples' souls?

    62. Once Satan has someone's soul, what does he do with it?

    63. Is your god perfect? Justify your answer.

    64. Where does our soul stay while we are alive?

    65. Explain how you can believe in Satan when your faith is directly descended from the Jewish faith, when the Jews did not even believe in Satan until they absorbed the Egyptian god Set while they were captives in Egypt.

    66. Why do evil people often prosper? Justify your answer.

    67. Why do good people so often fail to prosper? Justify your answer.

    68. When the end of the world comes, will your god raise our actual bodies, or just our souls? Explain.

    69. Explain why your god lets airplanes with sinless infants on board crash.

    70. What is sin, exactly?

    71. If Jesus is perfect, then justify the parable of the fig tree (Matthew 21:17-19, Mark 11:14-20).

    72. Explain why Christians have harassed "white witches" for almost two thousand years now, when the central rule of the “white witches” ethical system is "an it harm no one, do what thou wilt."

    73. Explain why Christians (yes, that includes all branches of Christianity) have spread the lie that Jews put Jesus to death when, in actuality, it was the Romans who put Jesus to death. (For a good example of New Testament anti-semetism, see 1 Thessalonians 2:15).

    74. Explain why your god created humans as imperfect, then set his standards so high that no one could possibly live up to them, then punishes us for not living up to his standards. Doesn't this also constitute "entrapment?"

    75. If we are created in your god's image and likeness (Gen 1:27), how can we also be imperfect?

    76. Why was it OK for the ancient Israelites to sacrifice animals to their god, while it is wrong for modern religions to sacrifice animals to their gods? Justify your answer.

    77. Why would your god confuse people? (See 1 Sam 7:10 and Gen 11:9). Isn't life confusing enough already?

    78. Why would your god cause blindness, deafness, and dumbness? (See Ex 4:11)

    79. Why would your god want to damn people by making them believe false things? (See 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

    80. Should the book of Revelation be taken literally? Explain your answer.

    81. Would it be good for men to castrate themselves? Justify your answer, taking Matthew 19:12 into account.

    82. What exactly is faith?

    83. All of the various Christian sects ignore parts of the Bible, usually because those parts of the Bible are inconvenient. Explain which parts of the Bible your sect ignores, and explain why it is OK to ignore those parts of the Bible.

    84. Why did your god allow Satan to do evil things to Job (Job 2:7 etc.)? Wouldn't your god better spend his time punishing unbelievers?

    85. If Jesus and his father are one (John 10:30), then why does Jesus have to pray (i.e. Matthew 26:39)?

    86. Explain your belief in heaven in light of Job 7:9 and Ecclesiastes 9:5.

    87. Christ giving himself up on the cross was a great gesture, true, but wouldn't it have been more sensible for him to continue spreading his message until he died a natural death? Answer this question in light of your answer to question #1.

    88. What is your interpretation of the temptation of Christ by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9)?

    89. In view of Matthew 6:5-6, shouldn't prayer in public schools be discouraged? Support your answer with scripture quotes.

    90. Do you feel that the last words of Christ were significant? If so, why do the four gospels attribute three different sentences to Christ as his last? (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34: "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"; Luke 23:46: "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit"; John 19:30: "It is finished").

    91. Matthew and Mark say that the last words of Christ were, in Hebrew, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" This has traditionally been translated as, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" However, a more accurate translation would be, "My El, My El, why has thou forsaken me?" El is the name of a specific pagan god. Why would Jesus call out to a pagan god at the moment of his death?

    92. A commonly recited litany in many forms of Christianity is "The LORD is my shepherd." (Psalm 23:1). Given the fact that the only reasons that people raise sheep are to rob them of their clothes and to kill them for meat, and the fact that sheep will often follow the shepherd to their destruction, do you think that this is any appropriate image for your god? Justify your answer.

    93. Why is the theory of the big bang any more (or less) likely that the idea that your god created the universe? Justify your answer. NOTE: I admit that science has not explained where the original super-condensed particle came from, but no one has ever explained where your god came from, either.

    94. If your god is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your god, how can he be omnipresent?

    95. In the Genesis story, your god tells Adam and Eve that the day they eat from the tree of knowledge they will surely die (Gen 2:17). The devil tells them that they will not die, but that their eyes would be opened and they would know the difference between good and evil (Gen 3:5). Wasn't Satan telling the truth here? Is your god a liar? Justify your answer in light of Jeremiah 20:7 and Ezekiel 14:9.

    96. If Lucifer is not as powerful as your god, then he cannot possibly be omnipresent. How could he possibly get as many followers as you seem to think he has?

    97. The Bible constantly describes your god as male. In view of the fact that your god supposedly created everything, and creation is very much a female function, isn't this at least a little bit absurd? Justify your answer.

    98. In light of the Trinity, angels, the Virgin Mary, etc., isn't Christianity polytheistic? If the Trinity is three who are one, why the three names? Justify your answer.

    99. Have you read the entire Bible? If not, how can you be devoted enough to try and convert me to a religion that you don't know that much about? Isn't knowing as much as possible about something necessary to understanding it? Isn't understanding something necessary to being completely devoted to it?

    100. Why is 2 Kings 19 exactly identical to Isaiah 37?

    101. Is Jesus's three days in Hell really an ultimate sacrifice, when more than half of humanity going to spend eternity there (see question #11)?

    102. If your sect considers the King James Bible to be the official and/or authoritative translation, justify this in light of the fact that when King James commissioned his translation to be poetic rather than accurate. How can you possibly use an inaccurate translation as your reference for what is/is not the word of your god? If your sect does not use the King James Bible, what translation do they use? Justify the use of that particular translation.

    103. Assume that I do not believe that Jesus died for my sins, or that if he did, that necessarily means I will go to your heaven. Name one thing that Jesus ever did for me.

    104. Before Mary was knocked up by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, she was never asked for her consent. (She was warned; see Luke 1:31). Mary was also asleep when your god knocked her up; this strongly suggests that he didn't want her to protest. Does this mean that Mary was raped by your god? Do you think rape is wrong? Explain.

    105. According to Luke, Mary knew that she was pregnant with the Messiah. Living in the times she lived in, she must have known the scripture; therefore, she must have known that he would have to suffer horribly during his life. Was it moral for Mary to carry her baby to term, or would it have been more humane for her to have an abortion? Explain.

    106. If it was foretold that Jesus was to be crucified, and if he knew this, and if he was the son of your god, why did he do everything he could to avoid being crucified? (See, for instance, Matthew 26:39).

    107. If the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the father of Jesus (Luke 1:35), then why is the central figure of your trinity called God the Father?

    108. Mary and Jehovah were never joined in wedlock. Does it bother you that Jesus is technically a bastard?

    109. The original Hebrew word for the Holy Ghost/Spirit includes the idea that the Holy Spirit/Ghost is female in gender. Isn't this rather silly when you consider the fact that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is actually the father of Jesus (Luke 1:35)?

    110. Matthew 28:11-15 contains an account of a conspiracy between the Jews and the Roman soldiers to spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Christ. How could Matthew have known about this, since no Jews or Romans would have admitted to it? If it was such a transparent conspiracy that an outsider could have seen it, why didn't the other three gospels mention it? Why didn't the Roman soldiers get into trouble?

    111. Jews believe that people are basically good people and can work to overcome their sinful tendencies. Most Christian sects, following the teaching of Psalm 51:5, 1 Kings 8:46, Ezekiel 18:4, Isaiah 59:2, and Psalm 143:2, believe that people are completely debased and hopelessly lost in sin, and that only your god can lift us out of this state if he decides to bestow his gift of grace on us? Isn't this an incredibly negative view of people? Isn't Judaism a more mature faith just for this reason?

    112. How do you, as an individual, feel about Psalm 51:5?

    113. What does your sect teach about Psalm 51:5 (and 1 Kings 8:46, etc.), predestination, and similar matters?

    114. Don't you think that the idea that no matter what we do, we can never be good and righteous without help from your god (Isaiah 64:6) fosters an unnatural and unhealthy dependency on him?

    115. Revelation 22:16 says that Jesus is the "offspring of David." Mary was not descended from David, but Joseph was. Doesn't this mean that Jesus wasn't the son of your god at all, but the (mortal and not divine) son of Joseph?

    116. What would the correct thing to do be if your god gave you a command that was harmful and/or destructive to you? A common argument, which comes from Paul, states that because clay pots don't complain about what the potter does with them, people shouldn't complain about what their maker (supposedly, your god) does with them, but this completely ignores the vitally important argument that clay pots have no sense of self-awareness and cannot think or feel love, pain, anger, etc. If you want to make this argument, you have to deal with this difference.

    117. What (or who) does your sect believe the number 666 represents? Justify your answer.

    118. If your god is "just and merciful," why would he take Solomon's kingdom away from Solomon's son while not punishing Solomon, when it was Solomon himself who committed the sin of idolatry? What did Solomon's son do to deserve punishment? (See 1 Kings 11:12).

    119. Why is Solomon commonly considered to be the paragon of wisdom by many Christians, when he constantly sinned against your god (1 Kings 11:4-10, etc.)? Personally, if I had a god talking to me, I'd do what he said.

    120. Don't you think that an anti-sex position (see question #22) is a rather silly position for your sect to take when the biblical book "Song of Solomon" is a piece of erotic poetry? (For instance, in Song of Solomon 8:2, the bridegroom proposes to "drink of spiced wine of the juice of the pomegranate." The pomegranate was a symbol of the female genitalia, and the "spiced wine" represented menstrual blood).

    121. Does it bother you that the cross, supposedly a Christian symbol, was actually stolen from the Egyptians? Why or why not? (The Egyptian cross, the ankh, was a male-female symbol similar in concept to the yin-yang. When the Christians stole the ankh from the Egyptians, they removed the female symbol, or yoni, leaving only the masculine symbol-- a subtle way of reinforcing the idea that women are lesser beings).

    122. How do you explain that Christians are twice as likely to have sadomasochistic tendencies as non-christians?

    123. What is the incredibly important doctrinal difference that requires the fighting between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland?

    124. Even if your god did create the universe, why does he want to be worshipped? Is your god an egomaniac?

    125. What are your beliefs concerning Wicca? How much do you know about Wicca?

    126. What do you think the word "Satanist" means?

    127. How do you explain the fact that the word "blood" occurs over 400 times in the Bible? Isn't this a rather savage way to write a book that is supposed to be at the center of an ethical system?

    128. Throughout the Bible, your god commands his followers to wage merciless war on unbelievers (Luke 22:36, Deuteronomy 13:8, Exodus 20:23-25, Deuteronomy 20:16, Matthew 10:34, Numbers 31:17-18, etc). If you are one of his followers, why aren't you out waging merciless war on unbelievers?

    129. Numbers 23:21 says that your god "has not seen wickedness in Israel." If this is so, explain why your god burned Israelites for complaining (Num 11:1), sent a plague against them for eating the meat he had given them (Num 11:33), why he burned people for using incense (Num 16:35), why he sent a plague against the Israelites who accused Moses of wrongdoing (Num 16:44-49), and why he sent fiery snakes among the Israelites (Num 21:5). Is your god a liar, or was it just more convenient for him to lie at that particular place and time, or what?

    130. What was it that was so bad about eating an apple that death had to result from that act?

    131. What was it about humanity's torturing and killing of your god's only son that made your god so happy that he again promised eternal life to everyone who believed in him.

    132. How do you explain that Matthew and Luke give different genealogies for Jesus?

    133. Matthew says that the prophecy given in Matthew 27:9 was given by Jeremiah. How do you explain that this prophecy was not given by Jeremiah at all, but by Zechariah (in Zech 11:12)?

    134. Matthew says (in Matt 2:21) that Jesus dealt in Nazareth so that he could fulfill a prophecy stating that the Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Where is this prophecy in the Old Testament?

    135. Matthew says that on the triumphant entry into Jerusalem, Jesus was riding on an ass and a colt (Matt 21:7). How do you explain that the original prophecy (Zech 9:9) stated that Jesus would be riding on only one ass, and the other gospel writers place Jesus only on one ass (Mark 11:7, Luke 19:35, and John 12:15)?

    136. In Matthew 1:23, Matthew has the angel say that Jesus would be born of a virgin. However, the prophecy that Matthew is referring to, Isaiah 7:14, uses the Hebrew word almah, which simply means a young woman. It has nothing to do with sexual purity; the Hebrew word for virgin is bethulah. How do you explain this?

    137. Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Where is the fulfillment of this prophecy in the New Testament?

    138. Matthew 1:23 says that Jesus would be called Immanuel, which means "God with us." Why does no one (not even his parents) call him Immanuel at any point in the New Testament?

    139. How many inconsistencies in the Bible, other than those mentioned in this paper, do you know of? Cite chapter and verse for as many as you have room for.

    140. If even the contemplation of sinning is a sin (i.e. "sinning in your heart"; see, for example, Matthew 5:28) and if Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert (Matthew 4:5-8, Luke 4:5-9), how can you say that Jesus was without sin?

    141. Does your sect believe that the existence of your god can be established through a formal proof? Why or why not?

    142. Pick a famous argument for the existence of your god, then criticize that argument. (Assume I mean for you to use the academic definition of criticize).

    143. Pick an argument against the existence of your god. If it is not a famous argument, copy it down here. Criticize this argument. (Assume I mean for you to use the academic definition of the word criticize).

    144. What does your sect think of the government? Read Paul's letter to the Romans, chapter 13. Now what do you think of the government? If necessary, reconcile the two views.

    145. What is your definition of the word Christian?

    146. Why do you think it is that the ancient Greeks, who had a very liberal sexual morality, had many fewer sex crimes (compared to the population) than the United States, which is 85% Christian?

    147. If someone accepts Jesus, and is "saved," but then turns away from Jesus, is that person still saved?

    148. Where did your god come from?

    149. What are the requirements for being saved? Some sects says that faith alone is enough; others say that faith without works is dead. The Bible supports both these viewpoints. What does your sect think?

    150. If I decide I like the answers to the above questions, where can I get in touch with you? (Give name, address, phone and email if available).

    151. What is the name of your sect?

    152. How is your sect organized?

    153. How can I get in touch with a priest (minister, etc.) of your sect?


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    September 13

    That time of year....again

    It would seem we are slowly approaching that time of year again that has hard-core christians shaking with righteous fear. What am I talking about, you might ask good reader? Halloween. Yes, it is not for another month but already the christian propaganda is flying.

    http://home.computer.net/~cya/cy00061.htmlhome.computer.net/~cya/cy00061.html

    The link above is a christian propaganda site condemning the holiday as evil etc, etc etc. Good readers, I did a rant on this last year (Titled Halloween) that covers everything this site says and more. The person who wrote this article obliviously didn't do much research on the subject before posting, opting to remain "in the dark" for the most part and only posting things that helped the christian point of view that Halloween is evil and of the "devil".

    If you wish to educate yourself then please read my previous Halloween rant. I think it will help.

    September 12

    Back for a bit.

    Well, after a long slumber I have returned. I have returned to you, good reader, so that I might help you in the fight against close-mindedness in the form of the worlds religions. Today we focus on the christian god. I have compiled a few reasons as to why such a being cannot exist.

    Now, this is not presented as a proof of any god. You cannot prove or disprove god, but the christian god on the other hand, is very easy to show to be impossible, as most christians define this god. In order for us to do this we would have to be all knowing, having nothing hidden to us in our knowledge of the universe and life. For if there is one tiny thing we do not know, then there within this tiny thing, exists the possibility that god or what ever "could" exist. I disagree.
    Why do I disagree? By the way that christians traditionally define their god, they set the grounds for its own impossibility. If you assign traits and characteristics to a god that are in any way self-contradicting, then it only follows that it is an impossibility that this thing could exist. By its very definitions, this god's existence is also impossible. An analogy is the impossibility of cubic spheres. By definition, a cube has 8 corners, where as a sphere has no corners.

    Defining the christian god:
    The attributes of this god as defined by the majority christians themselves are:
    1. Perfect in every way.
    2. Omni-max: all-present, all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving, and all-compassionate.
    3. Perfectly just, and righteous in every way.
    4. Testified to in a perfect book.


    Christianity states that their god created the world and that his creation was perfect until man came and caused imperfection by breaking the laws of this god. Humans, thus, brought suffering and pain into the world, losing perfection. This set into motion the need for forgiveness from this perfect god. Those who repent, and accept the terms are granted bliss for eternity; those not fortunate enough to accept or realize this, spend eternity in torment. But remember that this god still loves us all.

    1. Perfect in every way:
    God is said to be perfection, a perfect being that is perfect in every way, shape and form. Now, if this god was perfect, then what drove him to create anything in the first place? Being perfect means being complete, there is an equilibrium that would never be disturbed by anything. Yet, this perfect god created. Why is this? Was he lonely? Was he bored? Did he wish to see if he could do it or not, like a sort of test? If he was lonely, how then could he be complete and perfect? If he was bored, how then was he perfect? Was he complete? If this god was perfect, then he would need nothing, want nothing, and have no desire to do anything. He would just exist. A perfect god that wants, needs, and desires to create is impossible.
    Further, a perfect being, desirous of a perfect creation, would create a perfect thing. Yet this perfect god made an imperfect creation. Man is not a perfect creature, and is fallen as told in the bible. Either god was not perfect, and therefore incapable of creating perfect humans, or god was not desirous of having a perfect creation, in which case we humans are supposed to be imperfect, and that brings up a whole new reason to doubt the christian story. If the Bible is to be held as credible, then this god cannot be perfect.

    Omni-max:
    God is said to be Omni-max: All Everything. 

    All knowing: By looking at this one trait we can show how it contradicts the other "ALL" traits, and show this god is impossible.
    This god is said to know everything past, present, and future. This, in essence, rules out the possibility of being all powerful, since knowing how the future will be there is no way this all knowing god could change it in any way. An All Knowing and All Powerful god is impossible. This god knew from the beginning that there would be suffering. He knew from the start every scream, cry, and tortured moan his creation would endure. Thus he cannot be all loving and all compassionate at the same time. An All Knowing and All Compassionate/Loving god who creates beings he KNOWS will suffer is impossible.
    This god knows everything there is to know, yet it is claimed we have free will. This god knows the decision we will make before we make it, and no matter what happens god knows before hand. There is no decision we could ever make that this god does not know about, and, because he is also all-powerful, no event he does not ultimately control. We are bound in a finite realm, and therefore cannot know the future before it occurs. Yet by the christians' definition, god is not bound to our finite realm. We have the illusion of free will, nothing more. An All Knowing god and free will is impossible and cannot co-exist.

    A Perfect Book:
    Almost every time the christian will bring up the Bible in support of his religion. Many claim the bible is the perfect word of a perfect god. Yet when one looks at the bible, they come away with a different opinion. The book that is said to have all of humankind's answers, the moral foundation and guide for us to live by, save us from hell fire eternal, is wrought with more problems than you could shake a stick at. Given by this perfect god to IMPERFECT man, written in his imperfect language of man, translated into many different imperfect languages of imperfect man, voted upon by church councils as to which books are divine, interpreted by imperfect man. As we have seen above man is an imperfect creature, yet this god gives it his perfect word, knowing it will not be received properly. One only has to look to the different sects of christianity to see this. No sect interprets the scripture the same.
    Another reason given by the christians about the bible is all the prophecies within the book that have come true, with many of them all fulfilled by the god man Jesus alone. One needs only read the passages in their proper context to see how they are not prophecy. For example just look at the virgin birth prophesy in Isaiah 7. Reading the verses in the proper context show that this is a sign given to King Ahaz. In chapter 8 of Isaiah the verse is fulfilled. Yet the christians blindly point to this and smile in smug assurance that it is a proof for their god. As for another prophecy that never was we look to Ezekiel 29. In verses 9-12 and including parts of chapters 30 and 32, we are told that Egypt will be a desolate waste uninhabited, barren for a 40-year period, and that neither man nor beast will pass through Egypt. Also this perfect god, if it exists, has the means to give us all his divine will, and allow us to know him personally, yet all we have is a book written by imperfect man. Again another reason for the impossibility of the christian god as defined by the christian.

    My conclusion:
    These arguments for what I believe shows the impossibility of the christian god, using the very definitions of the christians themselves. Anyone who is reasonable and freethinking could not accept that this god exists. The very essence of this god is contradictory in nature.
    Many believe as a source of comfort, many believe based upon fear, and still others are in it for the prize at the end. I on the other hand will believe in reality, and the christian god is not nor ever will be real.